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Motherhood in Game of Thrones

This is a guest post by Paul and Renee. Paul and Renee blog and review at Fangs for the Fantasy. We’re great lovers of the genre and consume it in all its forms – but as marginalised people we also analyse critically through a social justice lens.

In real life, motherhood is many things. It is love and bonding, affection and protection and most certainly inspiration. Mothers have been inspired to incredible feats over the years on behalf of their children, for their children and for the world their children live in. We have a world where motherhood can be a great strength and a source of great power and resolve.

In Game of Thrones, however, motherhood seems to coincide with victimhood – being a mother is rarely, if ever, a source of strength for the mothers of Westeros, but so often another avenue through which they can be vulnerable, attacked and manipulated

This is, perhaps, clearest of all with Cersei Lannister, Queen of the 7 Kingdoms, and mother of Joffrey, Marcella and Tommen. Cersei has lead a life with little love and a great deal of harshness. A callous father lead to a loveless marriage which in turn has lead to her seeing love as a weakness. She openly advises Sansa not to love because to love is to leave one vulnerable to being hurt. And with that assertion she has another lament – that you cannot help but love your children, she sees her children as an weakness.

And, considering her eldest son, it’s no surprise. Joffrey is, without a doubt, the most evil character in the Game of Thrones. Callous, selfish, cruel, sadistic and not very intelligent, he is a blight on Kings Landing and the throne – and everyone loves it when Tyrion slaps him. Cersei isn’t blinkered to the flaws of her son. She sees what he is and how truly awful he is – and has expressed so with Tyrion on more than once. She has told Sansa that she knows she will not be happy as Joffrey’s queen and she’s fully aware of the atrocities he’s committed, whether it’s slaughtering babies or having prostitutes brutalised.

Yet, she is still driven to protect and support him. She still worries about him when he goes into battle, she still wants to save him, she is still driven to support him. She is bound to the loathsome boy and even as she sees his crimes, she cannot turn away from him. She doesn’t even get any power from being the mother of the king as she is increasingly both outmaneuvered by Tyrion and, ultimately, unable to curb the excesses and foolishness of her son. Her son is a burden, something to endure.

And her other children? Marcella, sweet, gentle Marcella, is turned into a weapon in Tyrion’s hands to be used against her – shipped off to a hostile shore against her wishes after Tyrion used Marcella to ferret out Cersei’s loyal advisor. Only Tommen is not used against her – but again the only interaction we see between them is loving – but it is fearful. Cersei on the Iron Throne with her son, grieving, preparing to kill him. It’s an incredibly powerful scene of pain, grief, fear and love. But, again, Cersei’s motherhood has hurt her.

Cersei’s motherhood is never a source of strength to her, something even she acknowledges, it is a tool to be used against her, a burden to endure and a source of soul deep pain and fear.

The second prominent mother in the series is Catelyn Stark. Catelyn is the mother of Rob, Sansa, Bran, Arya, Rickon. Though she is lady Stark, her only real power comes from the fact that she is the widow of Ned Stark and the mother of Rob, who since his father’s death has become king of the north. Our first real exposure to Catelyn as a mother comes when Bran is injured and she sits by his bed day and night. When Ned leaves for Kings Landing, it falls to Catelyn to keep Winterfell running but she is too consumed to carry out her duties and foists it all off on Rob. In this we see a mother’s devotion – nothing is more important than her child. While the devotion is understandable, her motherhood is seen as a barrier to her duty.

When someone breaks into Bran’s room and attempts to murder him, and she learns that her sister’s husband, the former Hand of the King was murdered, she sets off for Kings Landing. It is on her return trip that she holds Tyrion captive and sets a war in motion. She has dubious proof to hold Tyrion and does not think through the consequences though she knows that he is a Lannister. The impetus for her actions is her motherhood, vengeance for Bran’s injury. It was an absolutely senseless decision and unfortunately it was only one of many.

At first Rob depends on his mother to negotiate the various politic of the north in order to gain allies. It seems that, despite being the cause of this civil war, Catelyn has managed to maintain respect, unfortunately it is short lived. At first she pleads with Rob to trade Jaime the Kingslayer for his sisters Sansa and Arya; ignoring what an asset Jaime is. As a mother I can absolutely understand her desire to do so, though it is likely that having killed Ned that the Lannisters need Sansa and Arya for leverage. What I cannot understand for the life of me is her decision to release Jaime just a few episodes later. She has absolutely no idea if, once reaching Castle Rock, Jaime will release her daughters. She has no reason to trust this man but she does it anyway. Her ridiculous decision is, again, based on her motherhood. This forces Rob to put his mother under guard thus reversing their roles. Instead of a trusted advisor, Catelyn’s motherhood has made her ineffectual and untrustworthy.

It’s as though motherhood means that women have absolutely no cunning, or common sense. Since being a mother is the primary role of importance for women, this renders all women in need of watching and guidance, because it leads to negative consequences for all around. Catelyn never thinks, she simply reacts because she is a mother, which of course constructs all men, including her young son as logical. She is a slave not only to her love but to her biology.

And we cannot speak of mothers making nonsensical decisions without coming to the third mother of the series, Lysa, sister of Catelyn, widow of Jon Arryn the former Hand of the King. The only thing we ever see Lysa as is a mother – a fearful mother driven to extreme measures out of paranoia to protect her son. From the moment we see her we’re supposed to be disgusted and horrified by her motherhood as she breastfeeds and indulges her son. She is not rational, she is emotional and, frankly, she’s barely fit to rule herself, let alone a kingdom. Because of her and her fearfulness, the Vale, one of the 7 Kingdoms, is completely sitting out the war, even though the Lannisters are her enemies and her sister’s family is at threat – she sits behind her castle walls to preserve her son, while reason deserts her.

The strength of motherhood is missing in these women. They’re easily manipulated and/or, constantly hurt, grieving or fearful and no matter how brilliant they’re supposed to be, motherhood reduces their common sense to that of a cabbage. Their motherhood is a liability, never an asset.


48 thoughts on Motherhood in Game of Thrones

  1. The books are different. Lysa’s motivations become clear later and they’re not out of fear. She’s nuts and other spoilers.

    but so often another avenue through which they can be vulnerable, attacked and manipulated

    Mothers in this world are subjected to this as well.

    Breastfeed in public and get compared to urinating in public.

    Have a kid throw a tantrum and you’re an indulgent, horrible mother.

    Abusers use children to attack and control women all the time.

    Children are killed to punish ex wives.

    And so on.

  2. Given how crapsack the world is, pretty much any duty, obligation, or affection is used as an avenue through which someone can be vulnerable, attacked and manipulated.

    All the older Starks are a hot mess of bad decisions made for good reasons, of course (look at Robb’s asinine decision to marry for love and throw over the carefully-negotiated marriage alliance with the Freys, or just about anything Ned does), and that’s made pretty clear in both books and show.

    The crappy deal women have in the society is actually one of the themes, I would say.

  3. GoT is complicated and there are a lot of valid criticisms that can be made that reasonable people will disagree about. I do think the books, while totally imperfect, are critical of sexism, and that the roles that the women in the books take on are illustrative of the limitations that women face in a sexist world.

    And really, when it comes down to it, the “strength of motherhood” trope is not really one that bears out universally, and really doesn’t have a place in the books, where literally every character is being probed for weakness by every other character. Having children is like having your heart leave your body and walk around — it’s no stretch to imagine what a hugely vulnerable position it is to have your children threatened and killed because of your own pursuit of power.

  4. Westeros is engulfed in a civil war. Everything will be used to crush the enemy, no matter how dishonorable or heinous: remember the Red Wedding ?
    And yes, people’s love, trust, good nature WILL be used against them, motherly love included

  5. Actually, you left out one more (just from the TV series) archetype of motherhood, the one that actually is about motherhood as strength – Daenerys Stormborn, Mother of Dragons. She’s motherhood as sort of avenging angel – when people fuck with her ‘babies,’ she ruins them!

    I suppose it might be somewhat frustrating to see Cat, Cersei, etc. make bad decisions because they’re mothers…but it’s the nature of the Game, I guess. Robb makes bad decisions because he’s an impulsive young man…ditto for Theon and Jon Snow.

    Ned makes bad decisions for honor, etc.

    Cat’s smart and canny and strategic…but she has a blind spot, and it’s one that makes sense.

  6. I think your descriptions of Cersei and Catelyn remove a lot of their agency. Both are remarkable characters, and their motivations as mothers (including those that make them vulnerable) make them more fully human. Cersei would seem like a monster if it weren’t for her dedication to her children. But as cruel as she is, torturing Ros and taunting Sansa, it’s hard not to feel for her as she prepares to end Tommen’s life gently, before the soldiers can subject him to a worse fate.

    Catelyn is a kind of Cassandra, who sees the wisest path when the men around her do not, but her wisdom is blinded when it comes to her children. And remember that the reason she’s willing to release Jaime Lannister is because she trusts Brienne to bring him to King’s Landing and hold him accountable to his promise. The scene when Catelyn and Brienne place their trust in each other is a moving testament to the power of women when they form bonds of loyalty. Perhaps Catelyn is wrong to trust Brienne to complete her mission, but I don’t think it’s ridiculous that she put her faith in the lady knight. I think Catelyn felt that Brienne deserved her trust, so her decision was based not just on her love for Sansa and Arya but on her conviction that Brienne is an honorable woman.

    You’re also forgetting a mother: Daenerys. Not all pregnant women who miscarry (by accident or by design) think of themselves as mothers, but Daenerys clearly does. I think that Daenerys’ motherhood makes her stronger. Not only does she transfer her identity as a mother from her lost Rhaego to her dragons, but her motherhood empowers her to make a terrible decision in the season finale: to abandon the vision of Drogo and Rhaego in the House of the Undying. That decision was not a rejection of motherhood, but an acceptance that her dragons are her children now, and much as she might wish otherwise, Rhaego is forever lost to her.

    Yes, life can be terrible for mothers in Westeros, but the cruelty to mothers is on a Watsonian, not a Doylist level. He’s not perfect, but on a Doylist level I think Martin does a good job critiquing the sexism of this society.

  7. I don’t disagree with the idea that the series presents a pretty limited view of motherhood, but I think this post overstates the case. Catelyn, for example, physically attacks the assassin sent to kill Bran while he is unconscious, wrenching a knife away from him with her bare hands (badly hurting herself in the process) and keeping him safe until his wolf arrives to kill the intruder. Her trip to King’s Landing to confer with Ned and her capture of Tyrion (which I don’t think was as bad a move as you do — she was backed into a corner when she ran into him on the road, and until Lysa made the ridiculous decision to either free him or kill him, he was an extremely useful hostage) both demonstrated bravery and determination. And her negotiation with the Freys on Robb’s behalf showed intelligence and political saavy — it’s implied that no one else could have gotten him the desperately-needed passage across the river that she was able to bargain for, and a big part of why that was true was her status as his mother and her determination to help him succeed.

    Cersei, for all of her moral failings (and while she is a terrible human being, she’s hardly alone in the series on that score), definitely demonstrates both cunning and common sense in murdering her way to control of the throne and in foiling Ned’s plans to stop her. And while it may not be in the nicest sense, her children are literally the source of her strength and power — she rules through Joffrey, and even as he starts to make decisions on his own, she retains a great deal of control/influence over him and power over everyone else by virtue of her status as his mother.

    It is generally true in the series that motherhood is a source of pain or burden, and that children are a point of weakness. But I think that’s to some extent a feature of it being a very bleak story of a world at war where every person you care about (and particularly those who are vulnerable, like children) is just another weapon to be used against you. Most relationships in the series are a source of pain or weakness for the characters — children are damaged by their parents or are weakened by their love for them, devotion or loyalty between spouses or lovers seems to primarily lead to betrayal or to danger, siblings are either crushing one another or are the source of vulnerabilities, etc. It’s also a product of the story being told in the traditional fantasy setting of medieval kingdoms where women rarely have any power or influence, mothers or not.

    [This post seemed to be based on the TV show, which is only two books into the series and which changes some of the plot points in the books, so my comments above are limited to that. Below are spoilers for books 3-5, so don’t read on if you’re trying to stay unspoiled for the show. ]

    In later books, we see a truly bad-ass mother figure (Olenna, the Tyrell grandmother) and also see the interesting ways in which Dany claims motherhood for herself even though she can no longer bear biological children (first with the dragons, and then with the people she frees and tries to lead and protect).

  8. Joffrey is, without a doubt, the most evil character in the Game of Thrones.

    Also- no. He’s not. He’s a 13 year old boy who has been manipulated by everyone, ignored by all the men in his life and has spent his life trying to get their approval. He commits evil acts and behaves like a horrible little monster because no one has taught him otherwise. This is clarified a little better in the books, but the only person in his life who actually did try to teach him was Tyrion. And his method was violence and humiliation.

    The Mountain is the most evil character. Burned his brother as a child, killed his father, killed a little sister and has had 3 wives die “mysteriously” plus lots of people around his holding. Bloodthirsty maniac.

  9. It is on her return trip that she holds Tyrion captive and sets a war in motion.

    One minor quibble, I think the show (since that’s the focus of the piece) underlines the fact that Joff started the civil war. Tyrion and Tywin, I think, both make the comment that if Ned still had his head, then they could’ve pardoned his life in exchange for the Starks begrudging fealty. I feel the characters make a pretty convincing case that the blame for the war falls directly on Joff.

    Of course, you could blame Cersei for not having control over Joffrey, but everyone on the platform didn’t consider that Joff would go wildcard on them.

    Also, Melisandre could be considered a magical and strange mother too. I’m not sure how a mother of a regicide causing smoke creature fits into the analysis (or any analysis), though.

  10. @pheenobarbidoll:

    I would say even the Mountain isn’t the worst. He’s inhuman evil, but the evil of any–really, just pick one–Bolton or Frey is just, just yuck. (SPOILERS)

    If the cruelty of the Boltons can make even Theon a highly sympathetic characters, that’s some high-level cruelty.

  11. If the cruelty of the Boltons can make even Theon a highly sympathetic characters, that’s some high-level cruelty.

    True.

    I had forgotten about Reek.

  12. I love the Hound, though.

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    And I really hope he’s not dead. It’s been speculated that he’s the gravedigger when Brienne questions the priest who says he buried the Hound. I think there was too much Sandor/Sansa foreshadowing, plus some other business in the books. I don’t think he’ll survive the series, but I hope he’s given a redemptive death.

  13. I feel the characters make a pretty convincing case that the blame for the war falls directly on Joff.

    Yes. And more info comes to light about things that not only show Joff’s very early involvement in the Stark/Lannister war, but a case is also made about those who blindly obeyed him when he ordered the beheading instead of utilizing some common sense where a 13 year old King was involved. Tyrion first mentions this when Joff has Sansa beaten for Robbs winning a battle.

  14. For those farther in the series: Olenna Redwyne Martell, who is set up as Littlefinger’s equal in the plotting chessmaster department.

    The series also has a pretty bleak view of fatherhood, as well. You have Robert, who hates his own son and spends more time drinking than running his kingdom, Randyll Tarly, who threatens to kill his eldest son because he’s seen as too weak, and Balon Greyjoy, who doesn’t even care that his only remaining son has returned to him.

  15. Don’t forget Tywin Lannister, who was Mountain’s lord (and ordered him to rape, kill and burn), ordered his men to gang-rape Tyrion’s wive (and forced him to participate), disowned Jaime after he made a stand…

  16. I think an interesting thread of motherhood in Game of Thrones is that for a lot of the characters— mothers are completely absent–Daenerys, the Lannisters—both Catelyn and Brienne lost their mothers at a young age–Jon Snow, Theon too.

    I also find it odd that Martin also take great pains to revile motherhood but then at the last moment, throw them a bone i.e. Lysa actually is making smart decisions regarding the safety of her kingdom. Also Catelyn at Bran’s bedside.

  17. I also find it odd that Martin also take great pains to revile motherhood but then at the last moment, throw them a bone i.e. Lysa actually is making smart decisions regarding the safety of her kingdom. Also Catelyn at Bran’s bedside.

    That’s because he isn’t reviling motherhood, he’s exposing how motherhood is reviled (while given lip service as noble) by those who play the Game of Thrones. To certain characters, this IS a game. A deadly one yes, but everyone is a piece on the game board and is used as such.

    Lysa is not actually making smart decisions, had she backed her sister Robb very well could have won, or at least had Winterfell safely guarded.

    Most of Catelyns decisions are sound, but that’s pointless if no one takes her counsel.

    Once the men in the series start believing only men know war and women are best left to women stuff, shit falls apart.

  18. I think the “Crapsack World” analysis is right; mothers get ridiculously abused because everyone gets ridiculously abused. It’s a world where you’re either vicious and cunning or worthless and dead, and the mothers are no exception.

  19. Most of Catelyns decisions are sound, but that’s pointless if no one takes her counsel.

    I agree with your comment completely, pheenobarbidoll. Catelyn gives Robb and Renly good advice. Neither of them listen to her. Her advice comes from her perspective as a mother in both cases, I think, but they don’t listen because she is a woman. Catelyn’s motherhood doesn’t make her weak, but the men around her think it does. Again, there’s an important Watsonian/Doylist divide.

    This isn’t the issue where Martin is problematic. I’d say we ought to turn our scrutiny toward his Doylist attitudes on sexuality.

  20. Loving both this post and the subsequent discussion! These are my favourite books and it’s great to see feminist discussion of them.

    A few points I haven’t seen yet:

    – Ned is also victimized by his fatherhood. He betrays both his all important honour and the memory of his best friend to keep Sansa safe. He is the only father I can think of in the series who cares enough about his children to have them used as a weapon against him.

    – People have mentioned how Dany’s status of the mother of dragons and mother of her people is empowering. But also – Dany sacrifices Rhaego for Drogo, not just because she loves Drogo, but because she needs him. Of course that might have been different if Rhaego was a child rather than a fetus.

    I think Catelyn gets a bad rap – I don’t think she captured Tyrion out of revenge for Bran, I think she did it because she was backed into a corner and had to act somehow. You can’t put all the blame on the war for her either – Ned got himself captured by pushing the issue of Cersei’s children, refusing to align with Renly, and trusting the clearly untrustworthy Littlefinger, and his capture and execution really got the war going. As far as sending Jaime to King’s landing – in the books she was trusting in the fact that Tyrion said in front of court that he would make the exchange. On the show, Jaime was about to be murdered by vengeful Karstarks and dead he would be of no use to anyone. Also, Catelyn warned Robb not to trust Theon and if only he had listened.

  21. What others (mostly pheeno) have said, really. I think the case for motherhood being victimhood is overstated.

    And as others have stated, what of Daenerys? She is literally mother to dragons at this point, and they provide her with more strength and purpose than anything, at this point. She’s stronger with their power, uses them as bargaining chips to little ill consequence, and seems quite relaxed and not particularly vulnerable because of them. It’s particularly annoying that you’re ignoring her, since (SPOILER) she’s most probably infertile now and can’t birth human babies (SPOILER) and they’re always referred to as her children.

    Finally, because it’s really annoying: Myrcella. Casterly Rock. King’s Landing. Please spell the names correctly, they are not difficult to Google.

  22. @ Becky

    I don’t think Dany sacrificed Rhaego for Drogo — I mean, that’s how it worked out, but she didn’t know what the price would be when she told Mirri Maz Duur to go ahead. If anything, she was trying to save Rhaego along with Drogo, because Jorah had told her that once Drogo died his bloodriders would kill his son to prevent him from becoming a challenger in the future.

  23. Esti & Pheeno – I shouldn’t have stated it as fact, but I believe she did know on some level. Mirri Maz Dur says afterward: “A lie you told yourself. You knew the price” (or something along those lines). Dany asks herself: “Did I?” and then quickly moved on from the thought.

  24. Telling yourself (especially at an age where you have no real experience yet nor the tools to deal with such things) that it will work out even though it may sound too good to be true is different from knowing the consequences. This betrayal marks the first step towards her becoming the Mother of Dragons (both literally and symbolically) and it needed to be a betrayal for her to learn that lesson. I think she was still operating under the belief that doing something good would earn rewards not consequences at this point.

  25. Something I remarked on to my girlfriend frequently throughout the series:

    “What is up with all the fucked-up families in this show?”

    Primarily in the form of crazy mothers and their creepy children, yes. But there’s also that creepy guy who’s name escapes me who lived north of the wall and called his daughters ‘wives’.

    Seriously, what gives? The Starks aren’t even all that great really, but they come out shining next to the other families.

    (Note: I’m still at the beginning of season two, so there’s not much point correcting me with new information from further in the show. Don’t worry about spoilers, though, I knew the risks when I kept on reading.)

  26. She has dubious proof to hold Tyrion and does not think through the consequences though she knows that he is a Lannister.

    Yeah, no.

    I hear this crap from the ASOIAF fandom all the freaking time, and it just makes me see red. She is absolutely aware of the potential consequences, and doesn’t go out looking to kidnap Tyrion despite being given evidence of his guilt from a childhood friend (whom she has no reason at that time to distrust). But she runs into Tyrion, and he calls her out, and since, oh yeah, she’s on the way back from a trip that was supposed to be a secret, it’s quite clear that she has no choice. I mean, if you can think of a better option, please. I’d love to hear it.

    Cat is constantly maligned by the fandom, which is ridiculous, because apart from falling apart when her child is in a damned coma and speaking cruelly to Jon that one time, she’s one of the most sensible people in the ASOIAF universe. Her advice is often good (and often ignored), and she deals with enormous amounts of grief with grace and a levelhead. If her motherhood is a liability, it’s only because her children ignore her advice (Bran and his climbing, Robb and his Theon and his marriage–which, I can’t even talk about what the show did to his marriage storyline). That’s not her fault.

    And finally, I like how Cersei gets all kinds of flack for “not controlling her son,” yet Robert, the womanizing, wife-beating alcoholic father, doesn’t even get a mention. That’s pretty awesome.

  27. Yes, stonebiscuit, yes!

    I hate that Cersei gets maligned for Joffrey when Robert seems to get a total pass. Robert may not have sired him, but Robert was for all intents and purposes his father, and completely neglected his son and, for that matter, and his entire family. Robert is every bit as responsible for Joffrey as Cersei is.

    And I also agree with you about Cat being great. She’s one of the most sensible characters in the story. She’s Robb’s best adviser whether he chooses to follow her advice or not. She’s a total badass. I love Catelyn.

  28. And finally, I like how Cersei gets all kinds of flack for “not controlling her son,” yet Robert, the womanizing, wife-beating alcoholic father, doesn’t even get a mention. That’s pretty awesome.

    Infuckingdeed.

    I think the problem with Joffrey’s character analysis is that people are tempted to boil it down to an easily digested moral. Like “mothers are always the fault” – except the asshole foster father who paid him no attention and modeled awful misogynistic behaviour. And if we’re going with “incest is always bad” – nothing wrong with Daenerys, even though she was essentially raised by Creepy McRapeybro. There’s nothing wrong with Myrcella or Tommen for that matter; both seem perfectly nice kids.

    Is Joffrey a sick little shit? Yes. Yes, he is. Then again, when you consider that the main alternative as of the end of season 2 is Stannis Baratheon – you know, the psychotic fundamentalist-religious military dictator? I’m actually more comfortable with a vicious idiot on the throne than a competent, intelligent RAGING WHACKO. Trading him for Stannis honestly seems like trading Mussolini for the Khmer Rouge to me.

  29. Well of course they aren’t. Robert is a man’s King. He hunts, drinks and fucks. WHY would any of the characters see Joff as Roberts failure? Tyrion and Jamie seem to be the only ones who notice and have an opinion about this. But everyone else seeing it as the mothers failure is right on character.

    I don’t get where readers don’t see this considering it’s spelled out once Tyrion (spoiler spoiler)

    Figures out it was Joff who hired the assassin and gave him the dagger.

  30. My husband and I were discussing this last night as we watched the season ender for season 1.

    In the last scene, Danaerys literally rises from the ashes of Khal Drogo as the mother of the dragons. But it is what is MISSING from the tv version that is interesting. In the book, she is clearly breastfeeding the baby dragons. In the tv version, she is not. (I can’t say if she has a future breastfeeding scene with the dragons, however.)

    My husband noted this difference and wondered why they took it out. He thought in the book it denoted a kind of strength, that her force of will was so strong she actually physically nurtured the dragons.

    I noted that breastfeeding anything but a small baby had already been marked as a sign of being broken or crazy because of Lysa and her extended breastfeeding. Lysa would probably be happy on the cover of Time magazine.

    Whether motherhood itself is portrayed as a weakness in GoT is an interesting discussion. I tend to think it is abused as everything else is, as other commenters have noted. Another interesting question would be how fatherhood is portrayed. Is it used against characters in the same way motherhood is?

  31. I felt that this article did take away the mothers’ agency (as a previous commenter already noted). I love this discussion and would cosign on a lot of the points but I’ll just add one thing –

    Daenerys’ love for her dragons can definitely be read as a transmittal of her love for Rhaego… I don’t think she knew the consequences of entering the tent. The dragons exist as her only family right now and since she is raising them *and* she is the only person who could have “birthed” them, I think she’s a relevant member of the mother category. They aren’t just rare pets to her – otherwise she would have left the House of the Undying and found some other fun animal to play with.

  32. “For those farther in the series: Olenna Redwyne Martell, who is set up as Littlefinger’s equal in the plotting chessmaster department. ”

    SPOILERS
    Although it eventually transpires that Littlefinger manipulated even her, or at the least was completely aware of her actions, even though he had long since left the court. In many ways, he is the grand villain of the piece.

    /SPOILERS

  33. pheenobarbidoll @ 29:

    WHY would any of the characters see Joff as Roberts failure?

    You’re right, and Tyrion does get it. I think Ned probably would have had he been around to see it :D. But I was specifically referring to this post, not the characters.

  34. I’m not sure I’m following the logic of this piece: Catelyn is a blundering idiot and she is a mother, therefore Catelyn’s motherhood is what makes her a blundering idiot? I would instead say that Catelyn makes the same mistake all the Starks make: mistaking what she wants and decides to do for the call of duty and honour and then acting surprised when the world does not cooperate. This not because she is a mother any more than Ned getting his head chopped off was because he was a father: it is because she is a Stark and has been taught to operate on a plane entirely severed from reality she inhabits.

    Cercei and Lysa by contrast are infinitely more rational beings: I’m not sure why keeping herself out of a bloody and pointless war that cannot easily reach her is a bad decision on Lysa’s part. As for Cercei, she knows the limitations her world imposes on women, bitterly resents them and tries to rise above or manoeuvre her way around them: that she does not entirely succeed is not the fault of her motherhood, but rather of a world that disregards and despises women.

    Basically I cannot agree with the premise of this piece: in the real world motherhood is a source of power you say? Since when? Motherhood confers status on women? In comparison to women who are not mothers perhaps in some societies or women who are not the mothers of lords and kings of course, but other than that, that’s news to me.

    Totally and this of course makes sense in a world with no obstetrics. It’s another example of the raw deal women are handed in this world.

    Is it possible that the other characters – and consequently the misled reader – simply assume that Lisa is making irrational decisions because she is a woman and a mother to boot and therefore by definition an irrational being and Martin simply intents to hold up a mirror on our prejudices?

    How is this Lysa’s problem?

    Well, she could have said “Hi Tyrion, fancy meeting you here” and then gone on her way.

  35. The article makes good points regarding the television series – it does not bear upon Martin’s novels at all.

    Some of the television series’ most drastic changes concern the character of Catelyn Stark. In “Game of Thrones” Catelyn has been stripped of many decisions, words of advice and lessons in politics that – in the novels – are hers to make or to give. In Martin’s books, she is the one educating and counselling Robb Stark, who may be a competent (as well as lucky) commander of troops but who knows next to nothing about the realm’s politics, the many lords’ sensibilities.
    At the beginning of the first novel, Catelyn is the one urging her husband to go South with the king in order to investigate the murder of Jon Arryn. She also sees his high office as an opportunity for her daughters (!).
    Later, it is much more clear why Catelyn has to take Tyrion Lannister captive on the Kingsroad. Her mission would have been compromised otherwise, placing her husband and their house in grave danger (the series , to its credit, hints at this).
    Originally, it is she who proposes to parley with Renly Baratheon – in the series, the writers gave that idea to Robb and made Catelyn bahave like a stereotype who just wants to go home and be with her children.
    In the novels, Catelyn and Robb get the news from Winterfell (that the castle is burned, the young brothers dead) before letting Jaime Lannister go and falling for Jeyne/Talisa. Both of them are deeply desperate and disturbed – a much more believable and excusable background for their actions.

    In short, novel-Catelyn is a strong, shrewed, educated and emotionally complex character with a firm grip of realpolitik (who also makes decisions that – later (!) – turn out catastrophic), while television-Catelyn is a hysterical mother who cares only about the _immediate_ needs of her family and makes decisions based upon rash emotions and at best average intelligence.

  36. Oooo, can we talk about the differences between Book Cersei and TV Cersei? Cuz I find that fascinating. I’ve finished the second season of the TV show and I’m about 200 pages into Book 2. What I find fascinating is that TV Cersei is much more sympathetic than Book Cersei (at least at this point, I know she gets some POV chapters). Spoilers ahoy?

    I mean, in the book Cersei says she aborted Robert’s kid. In the TV show, the way it’s played to me is that Cersei did not abort Robert’s kid, but truly had a miscarriage. To me, it seems like a turning point for TV Cersei, where she loses all hope of a better life with Robert. At that point, she decides to take matters into her own hands and takes up with Jamie.

  37. I agree TV Cersei is way more sympathetic than book Cersei, but not for the reasons you did, Athenia. In both TV show and books, Cersei is described as having been genuinely excited to marry Robert, then quickly disillusioned as he was obviously still in love with the dead Lyanna, he continued to sleep around, and he showed no real interest in Cersei. To me, aborting his baby vs. miscarrying was a minor change in light of that history.

    The biggest changes, I thought, went to her relationship with Joffrey. In the books, she is way more in control of what is happening and way less horrified by what her son is becoming. In the books, it’s Cersei–not Joffrey–who orders Robert’s bastards killed. The scene in the TV show where she talks to Tyrion about how Joff is a monster isn’t in the books; instead, she supports all of his decisions (except killing Ned) and considers him her golden child.

    I think the TV Cersei is a far more interesting character — a mother who loves her child too much to betray him but who grows steadily more horrified by how evil he shows himself to be.

  38. I enjoyed the article, but I find it interesting you left out Daenerys, the strongest and most powerful female character and mother figure in the series.

  39. I “third” the differences between book and TV Cersei. Also, I heartily second Esti´s point about book Cersei being more, let´s say, wholeheartedly in agreement with Joff. Although some of that similarity to Joff is created from what (SPOILERS) we see when Cersei finally gets the court all to herself. After the events of Storm of Swords, Cersei`s character gets really dark and vicious; in addition, her personality darkens in conjunction with her many errors as Queen Regent. Without Tywin–and to a lesser extent Tyrion–Cersei´s time as the absolute power in King´s Landing is pretty much a disaster. Her rule is marked by impulsive actions (e.g. telling the Iron Bank to shove off) and cruel manipulations (e.g. the whole Cersei vs Margaery battle). In many ways, Cersei´s actions as Queen Regent are very similar to Joff´s actions as King because both mother and son are impulsive, rash, and, in the end, destructive rulers.

    The TV show also seems to draw the parallel between Sansa and Cersei much more closely, since Cersei´s conversation with Sansa about her future duties as the queen—duties which include marrying a person you actively despise—is much more moving on the screen. Maybe the difference can be traced to the actor drawing out the more sympathetic elements of her character? (And, yes, for me Cersei has sympathetic elements. Not many, yes, but she still has them)

  40. I’m not sure why keeping herself out of a bloody and pointless war that cannot easily reach her is a bad decision on Lysa’s part.

    Because that’s not what she’s been doing.

  41. Because that’s not what she’s been doing.

    Care to elaborate? At what point does the Vale enter the war?

  42. Just want to add in that I’m loving this conversation.

    Also seconding Cat as less interesting in the show than in the book, which was disappointing to me. The shift in Cersei I found more interesting, for reasons similar to the above. I also have noticed that Sansa – who many people I know hated in the books – is getting much more sympathy from them in the series. (Not a motherhood issue, obviously.)

  43. Whoa, hold up. Are you watching the same show as me? Catelyn Stark is a victim? Oh lord, no. Catelyn Stark is a survivor. A woman of power. She puts her family first – as she damn well should. I don’t see this being presented as a flaw; it’s presented as honourable and right and proud and strong. Ned Stark did the same thing. Tyrion’s actions are motivated by love for Shea. Robb Stark made one of the worst love-based decisions in the show by marrying his girlfriend and reneging on his promise. Theon’s drive to prove himself to his father has completely ruined him as a warrior. There are characters left and right who’ve made bad decisions because of love and family loyalty. By limiting the analysis to mothers, you’ve defined this theme too narrowly.

    Taking it back to Catelyn, in fact, she directly disobeyed her son’s command by choosing to remove Jaime and hand him back. And while I agree the decision was questionable, remember that she’s using the insanely badass Brienne to deliver him, so she’s not just blindly hoping for a fair trade. She’s not drowning in motherly sorrow, she’s calculating and thinking things through and making some good decisions and some bad ones, just like everyone else in Westeros.

    Cersei is more tragic as a character, I’ll give you that, but I think the tragedy isn’t in her motherhood, it’s in her outlook. She perceives love as a weakness, but she’s too blind to be able to see it as anything else because she had a lot of tragedy as a daughter and wife before she ever had it as a mother. Her entire life has been pain, mistrust, frustration. So this bitter, angry, pained Cersei that we see isn’t just the mother she’s become, it’s the person she’s become. It’s limiting to look at her character as just a victimized mother.

    And, as others pointed out before me, Danaerys! Mother of dragons! Alisandre (sp? god these names are confusing) is also a mother of sorts, birthing those weird-ass shadow murder babies. These women have both weaponized motherhood in very literal ways. That’s hardly a positive depiction either, of course, but it’s a far cry from victimizing it. Motherhood is complex in Westeros, just like everything else is.

  44. Yeah author totally missed Melisandre and Dany. In the books, you’ll see Mel specifically has over come massive obstacles that many other characters wouldn’t even begin to think could be surmountable. And of course, for both of them their motherhood is the opposite of weakness.

  45. I think this blog post is pretty neglectful in its analysis of GoT. Many people have made excellent counterarguments that defend GoT’s views of motherhood. Let me just list the things a post like this should have considered before making this criticism.

    1) Does the role of fatherhood present similar weakness and limitation to a character?

    2) When has the role of motherhood been a strategic advantage to a character?
    (my first idea is the fact that Ned’s pity for Cersei’s children led him to reveal his plans to attack Joffrey’s right to the thrown. This empowered her to act first.)

    3) Are other relationship-based roles (daughter, son, wife, friend, sister) equally shown as a liability in the series?
    HINT THE ANSWER IS YES

    4) Are you mixing up a sexist fandom reaction to a character’s decision with the way the decision was presented by the author?
    Specifically, I think the harsh judgement of Catelyn’s kidnapping Tyrion comes from the fandom, not the creators of the show or the author of the book. In the book and the TV series the decision is presented as a good one based on the information Catelyn has at the time.

  46. So.

    Everybody in the books does stupid things for love.

    But when mothers do the same, it means that motherhood made them do it.

    And you call yourself a feminist site. Please. The misogynistic society in which these mothers live shapes the way motherhood is discussed in the books. It is not the books’ fault if you buy in to the characters’ sexist attitudes, it is your fault. If you’re going to be a feminist website, why not try, say, actually being feminists.

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