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Love in a Time of Calling Out

This is a guest post by Juliet. Juliet is a white, TAB woman who, after two and a half decades, is beginning to accept that she is destined to live the entirety of her life in her hometown of Knoxville, TN. She will begin attempting her academic hat trick (a PhD in Counseling Psychology) at the University of Tennessee this fall.

My grandfather will turn ninety in a few months, a week after I turn twenty-five. I’m not particularly close to most of my family, but my grandfather and I have always had something special. I was his first grandchild; he waited in the hospital every day after my mother gave birth and premature baby-me was struggling to survive. He’d come home, exhausted from work, and have me fall asleep on his chest at night. Because our father felt burdened by us, my grandfather would often pick my sister and me up from school, take us to arcades, buy us Legos, and invite us over for cartoons and McDonalds with our mom every Saturday night for years. He is one of the sweetest and most generous people I know.

For twenty four of the past twenty five years, he’s known me as his grandson. And when I transitioned to being his granddaughter, he was the last significant person I came out to. Neither my mom nor I had much of any idea how he’d respond; despite his personality, he was still a conservative from the Bible Belt who watches Fox News during most waking hours of the day. So you can imagine my relief when, despite fully comprehending what I was doing, his primary concern was with my well-being. He mainly just wanted me to feel ok and be happy. I almost felt silly for doubting at all.

In fact, he worried I would be afraid of him. He called me a few times soon after and, focusing hard, made a point to use my female name to show me that he didn’t want me to pull away from him. He wanted to do what he could so that I’d still want to visit him, still feel ok being close to him, still strive to maintain the kind of relationship we’d had before. No one else in my family did that. No one else specifically reached out to me, after I came out, to prove to me they really wanted to try to be accepting. In fact, much of my family who initially voiced reservations while reaffirming their “love and support” has lapsed into complacent avoidance and distance. There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that, Southern conservatism and all, my grandfather ultimately wants me to be happy and will love me no matter what.

Unfortunately, though, acceptance isn’t enough. There’s still the matter of names and pronouns. Naturally, most of my friends and family struggled with them for awhile. Many still invariably slip up. And as I continue to struggle with a lot of internalized transphobia, such slips always hurt and trigger. Calling people on it is almost always too much for me. But, fortunately, as time passes it’s less and less of an issue.

However, after two strokes and ninety years, you can imagine how it’s a steeper hurdle for my grandfather. He often had difficulty getting my name right before I transitioned (mentioning his son’s name instead), and this hasn’t made things easier. He still can’t really grasp what the transition *is*, and I think he’s past the point in his life where he could. He tries, he really really does.

But even though I know he’s trying, it still hurts. Being called “sir,” “buddy,” “good man,” “,” “grandson,” all in oblivious loving good nature, still makes me want to curl up in a dysphoric ball or run away.

He doesn’t mean to hurt. Hell, he gets it right as often as he does solely because he loves me. But it does hurts. And, sometimes, I do stay away. I intentionally spend less time with him. In self-preservation, I do the exact opposite of what he wants. Of what we want.

When the action of “calling out” within social justice spheres is questioned, I think of my grandfather. He has good intentions. He’s trying really hard. We have a long, loving history. But because I can’t call him out and he can’t fully change, our relationship is still damaged. And every time I visit him, even as it becomes less often and for shorter durations, I know I’m just going to have to accept being hurt if I want to keep him in my life.

As we activists delve into relentless assaults upon privilege, I think we often forget that personal core. It’s not just that privilege in and of itself is problematic. It’s not that we have checklists for “How Things Should Be,” crafted by aloof academics and faceless nonprofits. We call people on their microaggressions, on their ignorance, on their privilege because they hurt. They fucking hurt. And we don’t want to keep being hurt. We want to be safe. So too, we often really do want to stay and love and be happy where we’re at. But unfortunately, calling people out is the only way that is possible.

Calling out is difficult. As we’ve all experienced, it can get quite vicious and painful for everyone involved. In our rush to protect ourselves, we so often forget about the humanity and vulnerability of the person we’re debating. But it’s worth it. Because the alternative hurts, too. And even if that hurt isn’t nearly as visible, the cost of complacent silence can be so much higher.

I can’t call out my grandfather. And for months, I was worried that I’d have to sever our relationship entirely. But my mom finally listened, finally understood *why* I was so wary of being around him. And when she listened, she started calling him out. Gently. And never perfectly. But enough so he did change. Enough so I can be present in the last few years of his life while maintaining most of the relationship we’ve always had. And it’s meant the world to him.

That’s why we watch our privilege. That’s why we call others on *all* their ignorance. Because even if it might be acrimonious at the time, it’s not about tearing us apart. It’s about creating a space where we can stay together.


96 thoughts on Love in a Time of Calling Out

  1. Thank you for being willing to share your very, very powerful story.

    The intersection of “calling out” and “disability where a person may not be in exceptional control of his/her speech (i.e. stroke survivor)” is a very … worth-pondering one.

    Thank you again, and good luck with the Ph.D.!

  2. This is an issue I deal with constantly. Every person is different and every situation is also different. So it seems to take different strategies to call out hurtful behaviors.

    To me, personally, as a Quaker, I see speaking truthfully as a religious obligation. This is why Friends don’t swear oaths in court or otherwise. We’re supposed to tell the truth anyway. An oath is a threatened punishment, perjury, for those who would be otherwise inclined to lie. Sometimes I wish the rest of the world thought that way, too.

    I’d sooner have an awkward conversation than the kind of evasiveness you describe. And also being a Southerner, I’m pretty sure I know exactly what you mean. East Tennessee has its own cultural identity which is different from the rest of the region.

    Best of luck to you.

  3. I wanted to say that your post really hit me close. I’m 24 and have come out to my parents as trans* last November. I recently told them that I have already started hormones a few months ago and have been on testosterone blockers for much longer, before I even came out to them. Their reactions have been difficult and I’ve had to call my mom out (my dad was not speaking to me) on her insistence that she has a right to ask invasive questions about my body and my sex life. I’ve also had to call them out on them treating me like I’m an embarrassment by refusing to left me be out to my extended family and that calling me a deception is not okay, among other things. That did not go well to say the least. We’re not talking. Again.

    I’ve been trying to hold the relationship together and have tried to be gentle with bringing them into this aspect of my life. It just got to be too much and I had to call them out on everything they have been doing to make me feel like crap. I just hope that even though this break hurts now that calling them out can bring that space where we can build something. I’m not exactly optimistic, we’ve never been that close and it would be so much easier to just to stay close with my chosen queer family I have now.

    I’ve had second thoughts about calling them out, but it was hurting too much to just let it keep going on, keep being treated like an object of study. I wanted to say that your post gave me a different insight into the meaning of calling people out and hope for my own situation.

  4. Awesome post. I live in knoxville too and just went through telling my mom, so this really hits close. REALLY close.

    I’m glad that he’s trying. My mom still seems to be in a forget about it and it’ll go away phase, but it’s getting better.

  5. Foglet:
    I’ve had second thoughts about calling them out, but it was hurting too much to just let it keep going on, keep being treated like an object of study. I wanted to say that your post gave me a different insight into the meaning of calling people out and hope for my own situation.

    I’m so glad it helped. I felt really guilty calling my mother out [like I feel with most everyone] because I was living with her, she helped me do research on hormones, she tried her best to love and support me as she knew how, etc. And even when I did, it took a few instances of me screaming and crying and really, visibly hurting before the depths of what I was feeling started to sink in. Fortunately, I eventually got through to the point where she was more careful and made more conscious efforts to change. And, in turn, she helped my grandfather. Of course, she was already inclined to be respectful and support me, too, thankfully, which helped. I know so many others aren’t as fortunate.

    I say this even as I have a hard time with it, but you deserve to be safe in the space you’re in. I don’t know how your parents will respond or change, but even as it’s hard and even as it feels like it might be hurting them, it’s creating a way for you to stay in their lives. If that’s important to them, then pushing them to be respectful creates a way for you to stay with them. And both of you benefit from that. I’m just so sorry that it’s falling to you to take up that burden yourself.

    Best of luck with your transition. Please take care of yourself and stay safe. [You deserve to.]

    [And thanks everyone else for the nice comments!].

  6. That was fantastic! I was never close to any of my grandparents but that made me wish I had been… And a lovely nuanced view of the whole “oh, please excuse my racist/sexist/etc-ist gramps, he’s old! He’s from another time!” cop-out:

    And when she listened, she started calling him out. Gently. And never perfectly. But enough so he did change. Enough so I can be present in the last few years of his life while maintaining most of the relationship we’ve always had. And it’s meant the world to him.

    That’s why we watch our privilege. That’s why we call others on *all* their ignorance. Because even if it might be acrimonious at the time, it’s not about tearing us apart. It’s about creating a space where we can stay together.

    So perfect — calling someone out as a loving and respectful and necessary act rather than the (kind of snippy and oneupmanship-y) version I usually see online. It’s more insulting to give up on someone entirely and assume they will remain ignorant forever than it is to tell them they are wrong (albeit, also often less exhausting and difficult.) Certainly that’s a standard I want to be held to myself, even when it’s unpleasant — I want to be thought of as “able to learn” even when I’m old or being some variety of neuroatypical.

  7. Very thought-provoking. You know, the issue of “calling out,” while for you it exists on a larger scale, exists on a smaller scale for each of us in different ways. There are points at which the relationships that matter most to us are challenged by our individuality and identity. To be true to ourselves, we each walk that tightrope between relationship and identity. Leave emotionally abusive husband or stay for the good of the children? Give attention to aging parent or sacrifice my needs to theirs? Tough choices for all.

    Nice article and I wish peace for you and yours.

  8. Thanks for sharing. Made me teary, actually. Very powerful.

    But even though I know he’s trying, it still hurts. Being called “sir,” “buddy,” “good man,” “,” “grandson,” all in oblivious loving good nature, still makes me want to curl up in a dysphoric ball or run away.

    I find this really interesting, because as someone who struggles with my gender identity I glow when people call me “sir”, or “good man”. My cis male straight partner knows this and will use masculine words when we’re playing around.

    But people I’ve talked to (very little because it’s hard) don’t understand how people calling me “ma’am” or “miss” or anything at all makes me feel anything from nauseous to furious to deeply depressed. I try and explain that being perceived as female, even though I’m female-bodied, and even without being patronised or treated badly, is what makes my skin crawl. No one gets it.

    Anyway, enough about me. Ultimately I call myself cis because I am never going to transition and I have cis privilege coming out my ears. That paragraph just struck a note personally, as well as in the context of your story.

  9. Your sickly 90-year-old grandfather who has always been loving and understanding towards you occasionally slips up with pronouns and names — and you think he needs to be “called out”? Really? To my mind, the only person needing correcting here is the self-indulgent, self-pitying author of this post.

  10. Thanks for this. My father was 84 when I told him I was trans and going to transition, and he’s 91 now. I’ve never been sure that he really understands why I had to do this, but when I told him what he said was that he loves me, and I’m his child, and if I need to do this then he supports me. He’s been very good, really. He gets my name right, 99% of the time. And he usually gets the pronoun right, although he doesn’t need to use it much when we’re together. (I don’t really want to know if he gets it right when I’m not around.)

    The problem is with his wife (I don’t think of her as my stepmother, because they were married only about 20 years ago and she’s not that many years older than I am). I don’t think there’s ever been a time when I’ve been with them — and I only see them together — when she didn’t call me “he” one or more times. I hate it, as I’m sure you can imagine. She’s the only person in the whole world who still does that to me now, six years after my transition. And I correct her every time, and all she every does is look exasperated and say stuff like “I try, I really try!” You can imagine how that makes me feel. Ugh. And, yes, it makes me want to avoid both of them. Which is sad, for my father’s sake, but it’s just so difficult for me to “put up with.” Maybe I should be strong enough by now not to let that kind of semi-deliberate passive-aggressive misgendering get to me, but I can’t help it. It hurts every time. And I’ve been *this close* to losing my temper and going off on her. My son (who’s 21) feels pretty much the same way.

    So I know how you feel. It really sucks.

    Donna

  11. Oh, and DP? When you have the *slightest* idea what it actually feels like to be in the guest blogger’s shoes, and how much this kind of thing hurts, and how incredibly difficult it can be, then maybe you’ll have the right to comment. It’s not like she’s been berating her grandfather about this. That’s the whole point of her post. Meanwhile, you know what you can do with yourself.

  12. This made me teary. Excellent analysis on what microaggressions mean to our relationships.

    I love the fact that your mum is helping you bridge that gap between you and your grandfather. You shouldn’t be hurt or lose that relationship and he shouldn’t hurt or lose you. He sounds like a wonderful man.

  13. As a transwoman, I agree with DP. Transitioning is tough, I’ll give the author that. Hell, I’ve been though it. BUT when people have been using one pronoun to refer to you your entire life to the point where it becomes reflexive, they’re going to slip up occasionally. People aren’t perfect, but as long as they make an effort, I don’t see what the problem is, especially in this situation. Agonizing over your relationship with a 90-year-old man who loves an accepts you just because he’s had 2(!) strokes and has a rough time remembering is whiny and self-indulgent. He loves you, wants you to be happy, and is trying. Shouldn’t that be enough?

  14. My heart goes out to you and your grandfather. I had a cousin who transitioned recently. I had always known her as “James” a cis het male. When she first transitioned she was butch, which made the pronouns much harder for a lot of us because nothing on her outside appearance had changed. It took a complete and total change of mindset to avoid slip ups. Jasmine (the cousin formerly known as “James”) wears heels and makeup and has grown her hair out now and from what I know, everyone calls her by the correct pronouns.

    But, initially it was difficult. For someone to change their identity what seems overnight and to accept and continuously recognize and REMEMBER that change is not easy. After reading this I am even more grateful that she was extremely gentle with calling anyone out. If she heard the wrong pronouns she would simple say the correct one ina very calm gentle tone, the way you’d correct someone’s grammar in a group setting. It may have helped that Jasmine herself had to be reminded when “Uncle Matthew” changed his name to “Elijah” that forgetting isn’t necessarily malicious.

  15. Props to you for writing this. You’re writing about a deeply personal matter and it took some guts to put this down on paper.

    Try to be patient with your grandfather: after 90 years and two strokes, change of any kind must be difficult to deal with. And when he does make a mistake, try to remember that it’s a blessing you’re still able to talk to him after two strokes, even if he does accidentally hurt you sometimes.

  16. Donna L:
    Oh, and DP?When you have the *slightest* idea what it actually feels like to be in the guest blogger’s shoes, and how much this kind of thing hurts, and how incredibly difficult it can be, then maybe you’ll have the right to comment.It’s not like she’s been berating her grandfather about this.That’s the whole point of her post.Meanwhile, you know what you can do with yourself.

    No, she hasn’t been berating her grandfather. She’s been contemplating dropping him from her life. And she clearly thinks it’s more important that he be “called out” for his mistakes and infirmities rather than just loved and respected for the kindness and generosity he has shown over the past quarter century.

    I don’t mean to start a fight, but you don’t have to walk a mile in someone’s shoes to be able to question their character when they’ve laid it out so baldly. Selfish people who think only of themselves can be men or women, straight or gay, and anything in between. No matter what other problems you may be facing in your life, it doesn’t grant you carte blanche to be a self-centered twerp ready to pass judgment on a loved one who apparently never felt compelled to do the same to you.

  17. I don’t mean to start a fight, but you don’t have to walk a mile in someone’s shoes to be able to question their character when they’ve laid it out so baldly.Selfish people who think only of themselves can be men or women, straight or gay, and anything in between.No matter what other problems you may be facing in your life, it doesn’t grant you carte blanche to be a self-centered twerp ready to pass judgment on a loved one who apparently never felt compelled to do the same to you.

    No, but it can mean you don’t know what you’re talking about and you come across looking like a fool. What’s so bad about calling someone out? Why is it worse than the microaggression that invokes it in the first place?

    Put it this way. If I’m standing on your foot, is it inappropriate for you to tell me to get off your foot? If I’m flirting with you and it’s unwelcome, is it self-centered for you to tell me to stop it?

  18. Except when you’re 90 and have survived two strokes, forgetting names, pronouns, and recent changes isn’t microaggression. It’s aging. When my stepgrandmother was in her 90s, she would confuse my stepfather, her son, with the older brother she loved when she was a little girl. My stepfather and mother never corrected her–why make her feel bad about this inevitable deterioration–and when she was more lucid, she would recognize him again. I guess I just don’t see how this is much different. We’ll all get old, if we’re lucky, and I think it’s only basic kindness to make allowances for those of us who got there first. Given that the OP says that her grandfather is doing his best and gets it right when he can, I’m not sure how much more can or should be expected.

    If I’m standing on your foot, is it inappropriate for you to tell me to get off your foot?

    It depends. Are you 90 years old, in a crowded subway, with a cane, and is it taking all you have left in you just to stay upright? And am I much younger, wearing boots, and able to reach a steady pole? Because if so, then yeah, I have it in me to just keep my mouth shut.

  19. EG, you’re very conveniently crafting a scenario that doesn’t cause any pain to you–wearing boots, in reach of a pole, etc–when this situation obviously causes pain to the OP. Since you don’t seem able to grasp that, let’s try your subway scenario, only you’re in sandals with a broken foot.

    Sure, you’re going to take the 90-year-old’s age and ability status into account, but if you’re going to tell me you’re going make the whole ride with him standing on your broken foot, you’re being ridiculous.

  20. And you’re very conveniently ignoring the actual comparison–about elderly people losing their faculties–in favor of the rather silly analogy that you initiated. If the 90-year-old actually cannot help standing on my foot, then no, I’m not going to say anything. I can suck it up. And anyway, why would I wear a sandal with a broken foot? My friend has a couple broken toes and her whole lower leg is encased in one of those silly-looking plastic boots they give you these days.

  21. I KNEW you’d go there. You created the subway scenario, not me, although if you think it’ll feel better, you can go with a tennis shoe or a nice slip-resistant shoe. I promise it’ll still hurt.

    Also, since we’re getting ~technical~ here, it depends on the kind of break. My co-worker broke one of the bones in his foot and couldn’t get anything for it because of what was broken. Some people can’t get anything for it because they don’t have insurance!

    As for the OP’s situation, just because it’s difficult does not mean it’s something he can’t do, and neither you, nor, really, the OP knows what his capabilities are in this regard. His actions are hurtful; he should try to correct them. Period. If he uses the wrong pronoun and his daughter corrects him, big fucking deal. I know you’re all gravely concerned about the elderly and their apparent inability to endure being corrected, but pearl-clutching about disability isn’t really fighting ableism thanks.

  22. pearl-clutching about disability isn’t really fighting ableism thanks.

    Don’t confuse “advocating compassion for beloved elderly relatives” with “trying to fight ableism.” I have no interest in draggin ableism into this discussion. But no, I don’t think that being realistic, based on experiences with elderly grandparents, is pearl-clutching.

    You created the “standing on your foot” scenario; I just added more detail, because without detail, your scenario makes no sense. Do you know many people who will randomly come over and stand on somebody’s foot for no reason? Because I don’t. Quite frankly, if an elderly man was standing on my foot when I was wearing a soft tennis shoe, and it was crowded etc., and, to be perfectly realistic, I had a pretty strong reason to suspect that he was going to leave the train in the next few stops, yeah, I would suck it up.

    And, hey, if you want to claim “pearl-clutching,” take a look at the OP. For some reason, she “can’t call out [her] grandfather.” If it’s such a mild correction, and if he so obviously has it in him to improve, then why not?

    His actions are hurtful; he should try to correct them. Period.

    Yeah, there’s where we disagree. If I’m hurt by something, I can certainly feel hurt, but whether or not it’s necessary to put that feeling into play when interacting with somebody who has no intention of hurting me, who does get it right when he can, and who is making the most common kind of slip-up associated with aging–identity mistakes–is a judgment call. If, when my mother gets old, she starts confusing me with my sister, I will be deeply, deeply unhappy, because my sister and I have an unpleasant relationship, to say the least. But if my mother’s 90 years old at the time and has survived two strokes? I will take it to my therapist or my partner or my best friend, because my mother just might have other concerns on her mind, other focuses for her energy than my hurt feelings.

  23. My bad, I thought you were going to pretend this was an ableism issue, instead of you being a douchecanoe about something you clearly know nothing about. Are you a man? Because a cis man being called the wrong sex is not remotely the same issue. Are you a woman? Then I care even less.

    And I ride public transit, so yes, some people stand on your foot for no particular reason. I was going for an accidental analogy on purpose. Again, you’re conveniently conflating the OP’s painful situation with a situation that causes you no real pain, but who needs to pay attention to the other person’s argument when you’re riding the douchecanoe down the strait of asshole?

  24. The people who are closest to us are the ones who tend to hurt our feelings the most. It’s an issue of proximity, our lives are too intertwined for it to be otherwise. I think it’s one of the most emotionally painful issues that human beings will deal with in their lifetimes – and all analogies fall flat after a while in trying to describe it.

    I’m not a fan of calling out culture – because it’s mostly about winning arguments, whether on the internet or otherwise, and I don’t care about winning arguments all that much anymore. But in a family setting, it takes on a whole new dimension. If you really love someone, and they are really hurting you with their words – dealing with it in a just and kind manner is like walking a tightrope. You’re in a scenario where, at least for a while, everybody loses. It’s painful and it sucks – it sucks for you, and for the other person involved.

    I thought this post did a great job of addressing this issue. It’s important for these two people to have a relationship at this point in their lives, and if it takes some gentle words from the mother (good on the mother!), then that’s what it takes.

    I find myself giving less and less of a shit as to who calls whom out in a particular corner of the social justice sphere – but I appreciated this post.

  25. Your grandfather loves you and is trying as best he can. You must learn to accept his changed mental status even more than you expect him to accept your changed state. Often after a stroke, elderly people may revert to earlier memories and not be always able to access current memories. Change is very, very hard. He does not have the control of his mental functions that he used to; you cannot expect him to do so. Love him and let the pronouns slide in this one case; he is doing the best that he can and he has already proved to you that he is accepting of you, no matter what. You’re lucky that he is able to speak; my mom couldn’t after her stroke.

    I know that at 24, it’s really difficult to put yourself in your grandfather’s shoes, but you must try. He needs you to be there for him the way he’s been there for you all these years.

    You want the love and understanding of your grandfather (which he has previously displayed!) but you must also give that in return.

    I understand that it’s hurtful, but avoiding him at the end of his life, when he is confused and lonely and scared and needs you, is also hurtful.

  26. But in a family setting, it takes on a whole new dimension. If you really love someone, and they are really hurting you with their words – dealing with it in a just and kind manner is like walking a tightrope. You’re in a scenario where, at least for a while, everybody loses. It’s painful and it sucks – it sucks for you, and for the other person involved.

    This times a billion.

    I have no idea what it is to walk in the OP’s shoes. So, please don’t take what I’m going to say next as an attempt at comparison.

    I am going through a massive and significant change in my life that is causing issues with family. And it is driving me to spend less time with them. I don’t call them out, even when they say something fairly viscious and hurtful – wouldn’t even know how to address it with them that wouldn’t end up in me being the bad person.

    But, my problematic family member isn’t 90 and sickly. I can’t begin to fathom how much more sensitive and problematic that is.

    Hugs to you, OP. You have a strength I envy.

  27. Shaun: No, but it can mean you don’t know what you’re talking about and you come across looking like a fool. What’s so bad about calling someone out? Why is it worse than the microaggression that invokes it in the first place?

    Put it this way. If I’m standing on your foot, is it inappropriate for you to tell me to get off your foot? If I’m flirting with you and it’s unwelcome, is it self-centered for you to tell me to stop it?

    Actually, if you’re a young person in a wheelchair, harmlessly flirting with me, and I think it’s more important to tell you to cut it out rather than just smiling and taking it as a compliment, then yes, I’m a jerk.

    More to the point, if you’re my GRANDFATHER, someone who has always been devoted and caring to me, and now in your dotage is getting confused about things and sometimes accidentally “stepping on my foot” (a less than perfect analogy, since these would-be slights involve psychic, rather physical pain), it’s something which should invoke compassion in me, and certainly not the desire to cut someone so important out of my life.

    Look, maybe there’s a subtext here that I don’t understand. Perhaps the relationship with her grandfather is more complicated than is laid out here. But based upon the facts presented, I don’t understand how anyone could laud someone for feeling it necessary to pat oneself on the back for having an elderly, infirm relative who had always gone out of his way to be understanding and loving “called out” for what were apparently innocent verbal slip-ups. It seems to me that this isn’t courage. It’s what under most circumstances we might call intolerance.

  28. I’ve got some neurological issues and I’m generally absent minded. Especially if I’m a little distracted theres a very good chance that, to use one example, I’m going to call a friend whose name starts with ‘C’ by the name of another friend whose name starts with ‘C.’ Happens all the time. I’ll even call my wife by my sister’s name from time to time because. Its a general problem and its something I’m fairly sensitive about. When people I know really well give me shit about getting their name (or even preferred pronoun with cis folks) wrong I get pissed because I can’t do any better. I know, I’ve tried my whole damned life.

    Not too terribly long ago, though, one of my friends came out to me after I’d thoughtlessly said something utterly insensitive and stupid and unknowingly (at least consciously) hurtful that very nearly led to blows. They hadn’t felt comfortable calling me out because they weren’t out. It took a call out to shake me out of my bullshit. Did they owe it to me? Hell no. Do I really appreciate that they took the time? Yes. They’ve taught me more than a little since then, opened up areas of academic interest I hadn’t been interested in previously, expanded my mind a little.

    They’ve also changed their name and preferred pronouns. I’ve gotten pretty good with the name, but the pronouns trip me up. As much as getting called on that pisses me off with other people, I find it necessary with this person because I don’t want to hurt my friends. Even though theres a very good chance I’ll never get my error rate down to zero I appreciate being correct because its important and it matters. I know that every call out further solidifies their new identity for me, helps move it from something I know on the surface to me experiencing them as want me to experience them. I know its not going to be the same for everyone, but I know I need to be called out and I don’t interpret it as an aggressive act at all. If anything it feels like someone taking the time to work with a very small, very frustrating child. It comes from a place of love and hope.

  29. DP: Actually, if you’re a young person in a wheelchair, harmlessly flirting with me, and I think it’s more important to tell you to cut it out rather than just smiling and taking it as a compliment, then yes, I’m a jerk.

    Oh, people with disabilities need pity and handouts now? Got it.

  30. Again, you’re conveniently conflating the OP’s painful situation with a situation that causes you no real pain

    That’s an amazing ability you have there! Wow! You can determine whether or not a situation causes somebody pain over the internet, knowing next to nothing about it except the fact that said person has told you it causes/would cause them pain! Here I thought my relationship with my sister was painful to me! If only I had had the good sense to consult you ages ago, I’d have known different!

    I wish I was as clever as you.

    Being in pain does not trump every other issue in the world, and learning that is part of life. Other people have pain too, the pain, for instance, of losing one’s faculties and facing one’s own mortality; I fail to see what makes a young transwoman’s pain automatically more important than an elderly cisman’s. Perhaps if all other things were equal, but all other things aren’t equal.

    Are you a man? Because a cis man being called the wrong sex is not remotely the same issue. Are you a woman? Then I care even less.

    Then why on earth are you asking?

  31. Juliet, thank you for sharing your story. I have not had those experiences, but I appreciate your writing about how hurtful misgendering is to those who do not have cis or gender-binary privilege.

    The axis on which I can relate is that unfortunately, I have several family members whose disease symptoms include cognitive and behavioral issues that make interactions with them extremely difficult and hurtful. I continue to struggle with where and how to define my healthy boundaries in my interactions with them.

    I find that one of the hardest things about these relationships is when I’m trying to parse out “Can’t” from “Won’t”. For me, if the person I’m relating to *”Won’t”*, that hurts because the subtext of Won’t is “This person is deliberately ignoring my boundaries and wishes. Therefore zie does not value me.” I experience Won’t as very invalidating, and the hurt it causes generally leads me to change the nature of my relationship with them. I usually take a very pro-active stance when faced with (what I judge to be) Won’t.

    On the other hand, “Can’t” is often just as painful, but I feel like I have different obligations in this regard. Over the years, and as a result of much of the training and therapy I’ve undergone in order to take care of my kid with cognitive and mental health symptoms, I’ve realized that attributing to Won’t what is actually due to Can’t is really abelist, and unfair. It’s a symptom of my privilege w/r/t being neuro-typical and functional, when I make something a Won’t in my mind, that is really a Can’t.

    I do feel obligated to do my best to accommodate the differing abilities and experiences of others. To be clear, this does NOT include tolerating any and all behaviors from the people I’m talking about – far from it. It’s more of a mental stance, and how I respond to hurtful behaviors. Also, when I can remember to frame something as Can’t, it helps me feel less invalidated by the behavior, because I’m not running a “this is because they don’t love/respect me enough” internal script.

  32. Maybe there’s some weird misunderstanding of what a call-out is or something, but I guess I was just envisioning a mild correction. I don’t know. I’ve had elderly relatives with dementia, and mild corrections, while sometimes a little embarrassing, didn’t seem to phase them all that much. However, I can see how correcting a grandfather on ones gender would be difficult, and might be easier if performed by an outside party.

    I think the people protesting this article aren’t giving the grandfather, or elderly people in general, enough credit.

  33. IrishUp:
    IrishUp:
    On the other hand, “Can’t” is often just as painful, but I feel like I have different obligations in this regard. Over the years, and as a result of much of the training and therapy I’ve undergone in order to take care of my kid with cognitive and mental health symptoms, I’ve realized that attributing to Won’t what is actually due to Can’t is really abelist, and unfair. It’s a symptom of my privilege w/r/t being neuro-typical and functional, when I make something a Won’t in my mind, that is really a Can’t.

    So I know I had the first comment on this thread, but I’ve thought about this overnight and:
    – I just don’t see the OP putting herself in her grandfather’s shoes. Like IrishUp says, there’s a difference between can’t and won’t, and failing to see it can be ableist.
    – According to the OP, all that her grandfather wants is to be able to see her. And he’s 90. And he’s had 2 strokes. And name/identity confusion are amongst the most common symptoms of being 90 and surviving 2 strokes. So what’s the OP’s reaction when her grandfather doesn’t use her preferred pronouns? To not see him anymore, to shut him out.
    – The more I think about this the more it seems that the OP has not (or has not told us that she has) tried to imagine things from the point of view of others, yet she wants people to view things related to her in exactly the same way she does. That just sounds bullying to me.
    – I must say, it must be nice to have a grandparent around at 90 who, no matter what the OP’s appearance or preference and no matter what his grasp of pronouns always is, he always seems to take delight in the OP’s presence. That’s really a wonderful thing to have – and a rare one – one to be treasured.

  34. IrishUp, that was a really helpful articulation of the feeling I had when I finished this piece. The author is more than entitled to be hurt by her interactions with her grandfather, and this was a moving look at how the process of transitioning can affect relationships with those you love.

    But this piece also struck me as a reminder of the understanding we need to have for loved ones who have limitations and pain of their own. I haven’t transitioned, but I have watched a grandparent progress through years of increasing and then near-total dimentia before her death, and it was important for me to remind myself that her upsetting behavior–inattention or memory lapses or wildly uncharacteristic anger–wasn’t *her* in that it wasn’t something she was choosing to do. Perhaps looking at things through the can’t/won’t dichotomy would lessen the pain the author feels when interacting with her grandfather and would help her to continue spending time with him. I got teary reading about their relationship and particularly his effort to support her transition — I hope that she can remember and love that person even when his physical and mental limitations cause her pain.

  35. I must say, it must be nice to have a grandparent around at 90 who, no matter what the OP’s appearance or preference and no matter what his grasp of pronouns always is, he always seems to take delight in the OP’s presence.

    Word. Not one of my biograndparents has made it to 90–and not all of them have been loving.

  36. Shaun:
    Are you a woman? Then I care even less.

    Wow, that’s a totally appropriate sentiment to spew all over a feminist site!

  37. Shoshie:
    Maybe there’s some weird misunderstanding of what a call-out is or something, but I guess I was just envisioning a mild correction. I don’t know. I’ve had elderly relatives with dementia, and mild corrections, while sometimes a little embarrassing, didn’t seem to phase them all that much. However, I can see how correcting a grandfather on ones gender would be difficult, and might be easier if performed by an outside party.

    I think the people protesting this article aren’t giving the grandfather, or elderly people in general, enough credit.

    I was going to say the same thing. In this situation, berating an elderly stroke survivor for remembering something incorrectly may be considered inappropriate, but gently reminding that someone is a “she” and not “he” can be totally appropriate. I can’t possibly know what it’s like to be in the grandfather’s shoes, as I’m 25 and neurotypical; but I imagine I’d prefer to know I’m treating my family respectfully, instead of accidentally slighting them. I think I’d like to be corrected gently, so that I could acknowledge my mistake, and identify the person correctly.

    I don’t think the grandfather is being disrespectful, and I’ve read nothing to make me think the author was being disrespectful, either. I think that the phrase “calling out” sometimes sounds a little cruder than it has to.

  38. I don’t know, the words “calling out” might leave an impression of anger or dominance that really isn’t there. Everyone has the right to expect their proper name and pronoun be used. Yes, it’s going to take time, but silence is inappropriate.

    Is it disrespectful to correct your grandfather, or is it more disrespectful to consider him incapable of using the correct names and pronouns? Low expectations are a prison, after all.

  39. To chime in with Ellie and Shoshie, calling out an elderly relative who loves you but has difficulties with memory also lets that person know why you are upset. This is important, because people who have memory problems or cognitive difficulties due to strokes, can often can still read emotions very well. Loving someone means letting them know that they are hurting you and letting them know why.

  40. IrishUp — I’m going to keep your words in mind. Many thanks for sharing them.

    bhuesca — double word.

  41. Kelsey: It absolutely is. I do not give a shit if a cis woman wants to compare being mistaken for his sister to a trans woman being misgendered. Not one fucking shit. Cry me a river about how this is comparable all you like, but there are other websites you can go to if you want to read about how hard the lives of cis women (and JUST cis women) are.

  42. EG, I was referring to your continued refusal to treat the pain of being misgendered as something real and continuing to compare it to something that doesn’t cause you pain, like having somebody lean step lightly on your foot while wearing boots.

    Again, you seem to think that gently correct the grandfather about pronoun usage is somehow as damaging as a trans woman receiving the wrong pronoun usage over and over. It’s not even that you seem to think it’s painful, or that this is about disability to you, you just seem to think it’s disrespectful.

    And DP, you’re a patronizing jerk. There really isn’t a nicer way to say it. Being in a wheelchair doesn’t give someone carte blanche to flirt however they want and make it automatically kosher, and the fact you feel the need to treat it like some cute thing coming from your subhuman non-equal is really obnoxious. I know you’re going to say if I can’t say it without attacking you, blah blah, but shove it. If multiple people, especially multiple disabled people, are telling you you’re being offensive, you need to shut up and consider that.

  43. Shaun — and your seething contempt for women is welcome *all over the world*. Lucky you!

  44. Shoshie and Ellie:

    No kidding. Some people are acting like the OP is going to cartwheel in there on stilts and tell her grandfather he’s being a transphobic piece of shit and then flounce out like the 1960s Batgirl. I think the context from the article, especially as it’s about it coming from her mother, is very different, and doesn’t give the grandfather enough credit for what he can or may be able to do.

  45. Kathleen:
    Shaun — and your seething contempt for women is welcome *all over the world*.Lucky you!

    Oh please. It’s not about women when you’re elevating cis women over trans women. I had just as little patience for the white women’s tears thread when some white women wanted to derail the experiences of women of color onto their own hurt feelings. At that point, it’s not about being a woman, it’s about being white. When you’re wringing your hands over cis women’s feelings at the expense of trans women, it’s not about women, it’s about being cis.

  46. Kathleen:
    Shaun — and your seething contempt for women is welcome *all over the world*.Lucky you!

    Hey! How about not taking comments out of context!

    Shaun’s comment was about EG comparing being confused with her or his sister with how trans people feel being mis-gendered. The point is that if EG is a cis woman than she’s not being mis-gendered at all!

  47. My bad, I thought you were going to pretend this was an ableism issue, instead of you being a douchecanoe about something you clearly know nothing about. Are you a man? Because a cis man being called the wrong sex is not remotely the same issue. Are you a woman? Then I care even less.

    I can’t believe I’m reading this on a friggin’ feminist blog. Shaun, trying to claim “white woman’s tears” to cover your blatant sexism is gross, especially when race wasn’t even the issue. Telling a woman her thought matter even less than a man’s is sexist, especially when you’re comparing her to a CIS man. Knock it off.

    Also, you’re the one who came up with the foot analogy, arguing with others who tried to work with that idea is pretty disingenuous.

    That said, I think the can’t/won’t idea is a good one here. I think a nonagenarian (who’s had two strokes!) making a mistake isn’t exactly “microaggression” (or any form of aggression, really), and I’m not sure “calling out” is the right term, when “gently reminding” is available.

  48. McSnarkster, are you even reading the comments? The OP was talking about being misgendered. If EG is a woman talking about being mistaken for her sister, that’s not misgendering. If it makes you feel any better, I really don’t care about a cis man being misgendered either–but yes, I care more about a trans man being misgendered than a cis woman. Context matters.

  49. For some clarification:

    My grandfather sometimes forgets but sometimes he doesn’t want to make the effort to remember [particularly when he doesn’t feel like I’ll leave him if he doesn’t, if that distinction makes sense]. As an above commenter mentioned, it can often be difficult to differentiate between “can’t” and “won’t” and I think a combination of the two are at work. Part of it is that he genuinely does not see me as female, and he’s plastering over what he thinks is there, not changing his definition of me. Whether that’s because he can’t conceive of such on a cognitive level or on a “Southern conservative all his life” level I don’t know. And I don’t think there’s a definitive answer. But there are times when he tries and gets it right almost all the time and times when he doesn’t try and doesn’t get it right as much. Just my perception, of course, but I can tell noticeable differences. [I know the response to this is who am I to say he is or isn’t trying, but when there’s a chance I’ll leave he gets it right and when he’s just reverting to “business as usual” he’s much less likely to remember].

    I didn’t draw the above tension out as much in the essay because 1) I love my grandfather and don’t want him to seem like more of a bigot than he is and 2) so much is just my perception of how he feels instead of exactly what he’s said. But it’s definitely not as simple as “He can’t remember and I want him belligerently called out for it.”

  50. McSnarkster:
    I am reading the comments, thanks. Keep backpedaling.

    I just know sometimes when commenting here I have to cater to the lowest common denominator. I don’t really see how many more ways I can explain this, but centering cis experiences seems to make you very happy.

  51. That said, I think the can’t/won’t idea is a good one here. I think a nonagenarian (who’s had two strokes!) making a mistake isn’t exactly “microaggression” (or any form of aggression, really), and I’m not sure “calling out” is the right term, when “gently reminding” is available.

    Agreed. I think the actual content of this article was great, while the terms were pretty off… with old people, especially those with problems affecting their mental processing, it really is not about them just needing to try harder. The grandfather is clearly trying really hard! Aggression just isn’t the word… this isn’t one of those “accidentally on purpose” things or “I don’t give enough of a crap to learn what matters to you” things – it’s one of those age/disease limitation things, and really sad.

    My grandfather regularly confused me with his own children and once even with his long-dead wife, even though I was living with him to take care of him. It had nothing to do with how much he cared about me or wanted to remember who I was.

    The OP says her grandfather confused/confused her with his children, too. Maybe it would be helpful for her to think of his confusion about her name/pronoun in a similar way: not mistaking who she is but rather confusing her with somebody else.

  52. “But there are times when he tries and gets it right almost all the time and times when he doesn’t try and doesn’t get it right as much. Just my perception, of course, but I can tell noticeable differences. [I know the response to this is who am I to say he is or isn’t trying, but when there’s a chance I’ll leave he gets it right and when he’s just reverting to “business as usual” he’s much less likely to remember].”

    Boy do I feel this! I can’t KNOW, I can only guess, or intuit, or judge based on behavior patterns – like you outline there, when the hurtful stuff reflects problems in ability, and when it’s just Ish. And when you love someone, you don’t want to be unfair to them, yet you don’t want to tolerate (and therefore tacitly increase the likelihood of) hurtful behavior towards yourself by letting it fly. Plus, when you are trying to stand up for your boundries, the other person is generally perfectly capable of using the “can’t” territory as a hide-out for “won’t” (if that makes any sense). It’s not so much on purpose, but more of a defense-mechanism of opportunity. This is the kind of thing behavioral therapists call “secondary gains”, and I find it frustrating as hell. It is a situation that is FULL of the SUX.

    I hope I didn’t

  53. Yonah:

    Agreed. I think the actual content of this article was great, while the terms were pretty off… with old people, especially those with problems affecting their mental processing, it really is not about them just needing to try harder. The grandfather is clearly trying really hard! Aggression just isn’t the word… this isn’t one of those “accidentally on purpose” things or “I don’t give enough of a crap to learn what matters to you” things – it’s one of those age/disease limitation things, and really sad.

    Yonah, maybe you posted before seeing Juliet’s recent comment making it clear that this isn’t necessarily the case. At any rate, I think it’s pretty presumptuous for folks here to be presuming that they know this woman’s relationship with her grandfather better than she does. She says she’s been close with him her whole life; I’m prepared to believe that she has some idea whether this is solely about competency, solely about effort, or some combination.

    People are very quick, even when age and illness are not factors, that everyone who maintains a relationship with a trans person is “trying their best” if they ever get names and pronouns right. It’s not necessarily the case. Often our loved ones are very invested in our pre-transition selves. Even when they love us, want us to be happy, and want to keep us in their lives more than they want us to not be trans.

    And a reminder to other posters: just because you knew your trans friend/relative/co-worker pre-transition doesn’t mean it’s appropriate to talk about them using their pre-transition name. It may make it more clear to you, but it’s generally disrespectful to talk about someone using a name they’ve repudiated.

  54. That above comment should read:

    “People are very quick to assume, even when age and illness are not factors, that everyone who maintains a relationship with a trans person is “trying their best” if they ever get names and pronouns right.”

  55. I’m currently dealing with the name and pronoun issue with my own parents. They’re clearly trying and I do give them credit for that, but no amount of good intention changes that the misgendering and wrong name hurts. And no amount of absence of bad intent changes the fact that it does have adverse impacts on me in some situations. I’ve had occasion to feel deeply uncomfortable with remaining in a place, even with them, because of it and have had difficulty getting them to understand and accept why I needed to leave.

    It’s difficult for them to deal with. It’s difficult for us to deal with, and it can lead to us facing other troubles or threats.

  56. Just before my grandfather died, he would ask me where the baby was every time I visited him.

    “The baby” was my son who had died seven years prior.

    For those saying that not correcting loved one with declining cognitive faculties is disrespectful: Please stop. My grandfather said all kinds of outlandish shit before the disease finally took him. Some of it was funny, and we’d laugh about it together during his lucid moments. Some of it was scary, some of it was painful in a “this whole situation sucks” kind of way, and sometimes he was just downright mean.

    To the OP: Regardless of how hurtful his slip-ups are now, that hurt will be *nothing* compared to the hurt you will feel when he passes. Just enjoy what time you have left with him. You can sort the rest out for yourself later. (And you will. Believe me. Every day, even when you really don’t feel like it.)

  57. I should have mentioned in my initial comment, Juliet, that I think having your mother remind him is a perfect way to handle it. My echoing of the can’t/won’t was more in reference to your feeling of not wanting to spend time with him — which, given his age and what sounds like a usually loving relationship between the two of you, would be a sad result for all. To the extent that it’s not clear that it’s a can’t instead of a won’t, gentle call outs (I say gentle to contrast with the way we tend to think of call outs on the internet as angry aggressive acts, which this site perfectly typifies a lot of the time!) from either your mother or you seems like a good way to handle it.

  58. If ‘calling out culture’ means shaming a 90 year old man who has suffered from strokes for using the wrong pronoun, count me out. Maybe, just maybe it’s a cultural difference? Because if I told my mom that I was considering avoiding my grandfather because he used the wrong name/pronoun sometimes, I don’t even want to imagine her reaction. Gently correcting him is one thing. Acting like a petulant child and avoiding him is different.

    You know, the way oppression gets used on here sometimes makes the word lose its meaning. Oppression is not “I didn’t get my way” or “someone disagreed with me” or “my 90 year old grandfather who has suffered from strokes makes mistakes when speaking to me sometimes.” It’s. Just. Not.

    OP I hope you can see past your grandfather’s mistakes and enjoy the time you have with him. It sounds like he really does love and support you, which is an awesome thing to have.

  59. Wowza. Really, reducing mis-gendering to merely a word-substitution issue is missing the goddam point and needlessly being hurtful towards Juliet. I … just …. whoa.

    1. Yeah, everyone, I think it’s pretty clear from Juliet’s post that this isn’t just an issue of her grandfather sometimes makes a mistake because of his illness and then Juliet goes apeshit on him. Come on.

  60. *bangs head repeatedly* Miss S, are you cis? Because if so you are really missing the point.

  61. Boy do I feel this! I can’t KNOW, I can only guess, or intuit, or judge based on behavior patterns – like you outline there, when the hurtful stuff reflects problems in ability, and when it’s just Ish.

    Ha, this is one of the most annoying things about being depressed for me — or about being sort-of-treated/recovering-under-management for depression. Because if I can’t always be sure when I’m dealing with my own “can’t” vs. “won’t” then how can I respond appropriately? I suppose Juliet’s latest comment makes it clear that there is a certain level of “can” that her grandfather has, but occasionally his “will” is not up to snuff. And that lack of “will” deserves pushback even if his “can” is unchangeable.

    Yeah, everyone, I think it’s pretty clear from Juliet’s post that this isn’t just an issue of her grandfather sometimes makes a mistake because of his illness and then Juliet goes apeshit on him. Come on.

    Wait, Juliet didn’t immediately whip off her glove and smack everyone in the room across the face with it, challenge her grandpa to a duel at dawn, and then burn his home to the ground while cackling at her mother’s sobs? …I totally misread this whole piece.

    ;p

  62. I dont think Juliet goes apeshit on him. I also didn’t see her follow up comment before.

    Shaun whether I’m cis isn’t any of your business.

  63. Miss S: Sure, you’re right. But if you are cis, you don’t have any idea what the hell you’re talking about, and I gently suggest you listen to the comments and experiences of others here about that.

    And even if you’re not cis, and misgendering is no big deal to you, that doesn’t give you the right to tell others they’re “acting like petulant children” or not being oppressed by someone willfully misrepresenting their gender.

  64. I am finding it incredibly difficult to believe that the OP has spontaneously forgotten, in a fit of all-consuming narcissism, that her grandfather is in the middle of having memory issues, and perhaps this should have an impact on how she reacts to a troubling situation.  It’s like, either she has spontaneously become so self-absorbed that she in fact obliterates light… or family situations are, on rare occasion, fuckin’ hard, and she’s doing what she can to respect both her grandfather and herself.  The latter makes a lot more sense than the former.

    I have no opinion on whether she should’ve cut her grandfather from her life or not.  Partly because it’s none of my goddamn business how she conducts her family affairs, and a lot more than I thought is because I deal with familial crap myself, that would be hard to explain to others.

    To Juliet: I’m sorry that you had to go through that.  I’m glad it worked out, and that you got more or less through it, given familial restrictions.

  65. Wait a minute, Shaun. Your rather silly and unlikely scenario in which some random person comes and stands on my foot, which doesn’t have anything to do with misgendering, is supposed to be a legitimate demonstration to me of the OP’s pain, but when I suggest an actually analogous situation, one in which an elderly relative’s confusion would cause me emotional pain…that’s “white women’s tears” because my version of the pain doesn’t concern misgendering? How do you even…get there?

    Let me roll my eyes for a minute here, and point out that not having anything to do with misgendering is exactly why I chose that version of the pain. I don’t find misgendering to be particularly painful, so in order to imagine the OP’s feelings, I selected a confusion that I would find painful, and, as you can go back and read, I mentioned why. And, yep, I came to the conclusion that I would suck it up.

    EG, I was referring to your continued refusal to treat the pain of being misgendered as something real and continuing to compare it to something that doesn’t cause you pain, like having somebody lean step lightly on your foot while wearing boots.

    You’ll note that I specifically said that being compared to my sister would upset me deeply. How you get from that to “not real pain” is your own issue. And you came up with the foot metaphor; don’t blame me when it doesn’t work.

    Again, you seem to think that gently correct the grandfather about pronoun usage is somehow as damaging as a trans woman receiving the wrong pronoun usage over and over. It’s not even that you seem to think it’s painful, or that this is about disability to you, you just seem to think it’s disrespectful.

    You…don’t read my comments, do you? First of all “calling out” does not mean the same thing as “gently correcting.” If you and OP mean “gently correcting,” then why are you using “calling out”? If you had read my comment, you might also note that I specifically and more than once used the word “pain” with respect to the experience of being confronted with the fact that one is in a decline, losing one’s mental acuity, and consequently having to face one’s rapidly approaching mortality. You’d also note that not once did I say anything about “respect.”

    Seriously. Reading comprehension. Try it.

  66. It must be so weird to write a complex, very personal piece about how tough it can be to lovingly deal with family, the effects of aging, and a gender transition… and then see a bunch of people use the piece to call you out for being a petulant, self-indulgent, self-pitying child. Wow people. This is seriously the last time I’m reading the comments at Feministe. And Juliet, I’m sorry people are using what you wrote as a bludgeon against you, because it’s really unacceptable and ridiculous.

  67. Shaun: Having a heart. Try it.

    I think most people in this discussion actually have some compassion and are not just ignoring the situation of the elderly relative (which is indeed self-centered and inconsiderate).

    Now, in the OP’s situation this may well be understandable and forgivable. Perhaps she simply is not capable of handling being misidentified in this way due to personal issues and limitations. We are all limited, fallible humans and I for one is not willing to judge her too harshly.

    I have much less sympathy for your own unwillingness to engage with the issues and actually try to understand the arguments of the other side.

  68. I must admit, I avoid my relatives for all sorts of petty reasons. Even when I love them very much, sitting there and nodding along to racist/sexist/transphobic comments – and note, that in order to keep a conversation going I often have to enable these things in small ways (noises of agreement, for example)…this at best makes me uncomfortable. Sometimes calling out is the only ethical stance for me. My mum has great intentions…but she told me not to dress like a slut for slutwalk because I might get raped on the way home. Really. Calling her out when she has depression and has been in a series of abusive relationships where her word has been discounted out of hand is really difficult. I try to do it gently etc., but not doing so is about disrespecting her and thinking her too stupid/stuck in her ways/fragile to deal with change or disagreement. That’s messed up. So, sometimes I just avoid talking about anything that we might disagree on (which is basically everything I’m interested in), or I’ll avoid an outing with her to avoid the awkward. It’s not great, but sometimes I have to protect myself from her and the unintentional harm she does.

    I’m not trying to say this is equivalent or anything, but just that wanting to avoid someone who hurts you, particularly when you feel vulnerable, is pretty understandable. Sometimes very necessary!

    Further, I think that Juliet was very clear about being understanding of her grandfather’s problems with her transition, that he was well-intentioned, but wanted to avoid him because she was being hurt. I don’t think it’s right to dismiss Juliet’s pain in favour of her grandfather’s – this story was, to me, about trying to negotiate everyone’s needs and discussing how difficult this is to do sensitively and well in a culture where gender is largely understood as fixed.

  69. k: And Juliet, I’m sorry people are using what you wrote as a bludgeon against you, because it’s really unacceptable and ridiculous.

    Agreed.

  70. Jeez. Having a close relative say something personally hurtful, while it sucks, is pretty different from having a close relative treat you in a way that reflects the oppression you experience daily. When my mom says something that pushes my buttons or hurts my feelings, that’s bad enough, but when she says something that is focused on my trans status, that’s bringing all the terrible stuff tied up with being trans in the world into our personal relationship. That shit is different, and I think everyone here pretty much knows that.

  71. Having a close relative say something personally hurtful, while it sucks, is pretty different from having a close relative treat you in a way that reflects the oppression you experience daily….That shit is different, and I think everyone here pretty much knows that.

    You need a YMMV on there. I’d much rather deal with my remaining grandfather saying the sexist shit he comes out with regularly and usually unintentionally than lots and lots of personally hurtful stuff I’ve had to deal with from various family members, also usually, but not always, unintentionally.

  72. I haven’t had either of my grandfathers around for a long time, so to still have one around when he’s 90 is awesome, especially when he’s like this…

    “In fact, he worried I would be afraid of him. He called me a few times soon after and, focusing hard, made a point to use my female name to show me that he didn’t want me to pull away from him. He wanted to do what he could so that I’d still want to visit him, still feel ok being close to him, still strive to maintain the kind of relationship we’d had before. No one else in my family did that. No one else specifically reached out to me, after I came out, to prove to me they really wanted to try to be accepting”

    But then this???
    “I can’t call out my grandfather. And for months, I was worried that I’d have to sever our relationship entirely.”

    I’ve spent a lot of time with old people. When I was a teen, my mom worked at an assisted living center. I regularly visited her work and had to make rounds visiting everyone when I was there. Old does not always mean helpless or incompetent, but it takes a lot of patience with some, sometimes because of stubbornness, sometimes because of forgetfulness. Gently reminding an old person is great. Considering to sever the relationship with your loving grandfather near the end of his life is a bit messed up and selfish. I’m not trying to be mean by saying it’s selfish. I just think that you should take other people’s situations and feelings into consideration, just as you expect them to do for you.

  73. Thank you so much for sharing this. This is something that I know we all deal with near-constantly. And it gives me some inspiration and hope for a trip that I will be making shortly to visit my own family. I love them a lot and miss them because I don’t see them very often, but I also know that part of the reason why I don’t see them as often is because I avoid them out of a sense of self-preservation.

    I’m scared about what kind of ignorant comments might be flying around and how I will be able to handle it. I worry about being comfortable even when I know I have every right to be comfortable and safe.

    I think this time around I’ll be a little more aware of the high price of complacent silence, especially for my younger nephews and cousins. (But even for the older folks, too.) I’m starting to think, too, about how much we come to deny the degree of pain we feel when we avoid these “battles.” And how the pain we will endure in such processes of calling out might actually be worth it.

  74. Thank you for this beautiful and personal piece. Your love and compassion for your grandfather comes through loud and clear, and I’m so glad your mom stepped up the way she did.

  75. I believe this is a dificult issue. I do feel that the author was reacting without fully comprehending the grandparent’s situation. Or so I hope. But we should take care not to use a super strong language. If we don’t pay attention we will be calling her out in the same way (forgetting that the other person is in painful circumstances that are difficult for us to understand) .
    Frankly this man is in my list of heroes: A conservative men from a very “machista” age that place himself for life as a care taker, grows to be proud of his grand son (and we know what it means to a men habbing a grandson in a deep patriarchal society). Then transition, and, the grandparent not only looks accepting but takes the task of making it clear. We don’t like to give cookies but he does deserve consideration for his condition after two strokes. In fact is his RIGHT in a decent society, even if he was not such a hero.

  76. I’m way behind on reading this post, but I figure that if someone can comment to give a standing ovation to DP of all people, I can comment to say: Juliet, I thought this was a really beautiful and nuanced piece about the ways in which we hurt people we don’t want to hurt, and how we sometimes feel things we don’t want to feel but still can’t help but feeling, and how we can protect ourselves while supporting and loving each other, and how to work together to make sure that everyone is taken care of. The fact that so many people missed all of that intricate nuance and pounced on you for things you did not say or do and missed the entire point of this essay — which to me was not even remotely about tossing elderly loved ones with disabilities aside for selfish reasons, but about how to work through it when two oppression-related needs manage to conflict with each other and maintain emotional bonds safely through pain — to instead judge you and your relationships and the importance of your identity and self-care, really horrified and dismayed me. I’m sorry. But I thank you for writing this. It is wonderful and important.

  77. Seems like all of the objections to Juliet’s piece (which I really appreciated, btw) hinge on the smug assumption that distant readers somehow know more about Juliet’s grandfather’s abilities/condition than she does; and something is very wrong with that – as others have said, the distinction between “can’t” and “won’t” may be blurry; but as Juliet knows her grandfather far better than any of us do, she’s in a better position to make that distinction than the critics are.

    Admittedly, the phrase ‘calling out’ has harsh connotations here that might be misleading; but absolutely nothing in Juliet’s post suggests that she’s viciously berating her grandfather for unavoidable slip-ups or something.
    I’m willing to bet that if a woman shared a personal piece of writing about how her ailing grandfather repeatedly, say, made comments that felt triggering to her as an abuse survivor or something, everyone here would empathize and understand that she has an emotional dilemma. But for some reason, most people who’re objecting to this post don’t want to consider that being misgendered can feel just as painful.

    A lot of the comments here are dismissing the misgendering as something minor that Juliet should just ‘get over’, but how would you know how it feels? Imagine the uproar if an abuse survivor shared a piece in which she stated that an ailing relative often said things that were triggering to her, and several straight men who’ve never experienced any sort of abuse barreled in and said, “OMG U R MEAN & ungrateful granddaughter!!1”

  78. Thank you for writing this. It hits home as I am about to introduce my trans wife to my mother. I have dealt with this issue of whether to call out inappropriate pronouns when it comes to our friends, but not nearly as much as she does. My wife would say that she would feel no need to call someone out who doesn’t matter to her. It comes down to the fact that I love my wife and I don’t want her to be hurt by anyone, whether it is intentional or not and I value my friends’ relationships enough to tell them that they are being unintentionally hurtful. Most people I have called out have thanked me for doing so, because they know that I value their relationship.

    One another note, I LOVE how people *I won’t name any names* who might not feel comfortable saying anything to you in person, but feel comfortable telling you in an anonymous forum, are calling you out on your calling someone else out 😉

  79. I know this thread is a couple weeks old, but wanted to add my insight.

    When I transitioned, I made a conscious decision to call out anyone that referred to me with male pronouns or my former male name of “Justin”. There was an exception to this decision. If the person knew me formerly, I allowed them as much time as they needed to make the adjustment. This was mostly family. However, if you were a new acquaintance, someone had told you I was trans and you took it upon yourself to use male pronouns then I would and will jump your shit (you asshole).

    Imagine my pleasant surprise when, 11 years after transition, I called my grandfather to wish him Happy Birthday, my grandmother answers the phone. She sat the phone down and called out to my grandfather, “Carla’s on the phone and wants to talk to you!”

    It was worth the wait to have them come around on their own.

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