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Fat, Gender and Achievement

File this one under “Fat is a feminist issue“:

MUCH of the debate about the nation’s obesity epidemic has focused, not surprisingly, on food: labeling requirements, taxes on sugary beverages and snacks, junk food advertisements aimed at children and the nutritional quality of school lunches.

But obesity affects not only health but also economic outcomes: overweight people have less success in the job market and make less money over the course of their careers than slimmer people. The problem is particularly acute for overweight women, because they are significantly less likely to complete college.

We arrived at this conclusion after examining data from a project that tracks more than 10,000 people who graduated from Wisconsin high schools in 1957. From career entry to retirement, overweight men experienced no barriers to getting hired and promoted. But heavier women worked in jobs that had lower earnings and social status and required less education than their thinner female peers.

At first glance this difference might appear to reflect bias on the part of employers, and male supervisors in particular. After all, studies find that employers tend to view overweight workers as less capable, less hard-working and lacking in self-control.

But the real reason was that overweight women were less likely to earn college degrees — regardless of their ability, professional goals or socioeconomic status. In other words, it didn’t matter how talented or ambitious they were, or how well they had done in high school. Nor did it matter whether their parents were rich or poor, well educated or high school dropouts.

The solution can’t be just promoting more healthful behaviors (although that should be Public Health 101); promoting health has to be for the point of promoting health, not to “end obesity.” And schools should be making concerted efforts to take on anti-fat bullying and counter poisonous social narratives about weight and one’s worth.

I’ve long been critical about The Obesity Crisis(TM), but of course it’s worth promoting public health initiatives that focus on health eating, and particularly on getting health food into schools. Schools shouldn’t have to sign contracts with Pepsi in order to buy books; kids, and especially lower-income kids who rely on schools to provide some of their daily meals, shouldn’t be fed over-processed high-calorie low-nutrition slop. Public education funding should be sufficient to help pay for gym teachers and sports teams. Schools and teachers shouldn’t tolerate or promote anti-fat teasing or commentary. And health-promoting initiatives should be instituted because the point of public health initiatives is to help people be healthy — not to shame people for their physical size.

Fat-hate hurts everyone, but it particularly hurts fat women. And it’s hurting fat women in very real ways — they’re poorer, less educated and less successful in the job market because of the culture of shame and judgment we’ve created around weight.


34 thoughts on Fat, Gender and Achievement

  1. One of the last groups that it’s still “okay” to hate and discriminate against. It’s completely awful. For one thing, a little pudge is healthy. Being super-skinny isn’t good for you either. And weight has little to do with health. You can be skinny and not very healthy at all.

  2. I agree. I think that phrasing these initiatives in a more positive way would also make people more receptive to them. Using negative terminology just leads to more judgment and keeps the focus on physical appearance.

  3. “…promoting health has to be for the point of promoting health, not to ‘end obesity.'”

    I agree completely–it’s disheartening that Michelle Obama’s campaign is against childhood obesity and not for childhood health. My favorite HAES blogger, Ragen Chastain writes beautifully about this over at danceswithfat.wordpress.com if anyone is interested in checking out her thoughts. (And no, I’m in no way affiliated with that blog–just think it’s great stuff!:)

  4. Yes. Yes yes yes. This especially:

    “Schools and teachers shouldn’t tolerate or promote anti-fat teasing or commentary. And health-promoting initiatives should be instituted because the point of public health initiatives is to help people be healthy — not to shame people for their physical size.”

    Macha- I don’t think it’s very helpful to dismiss the very real ways that people are still marginalized outside of weight or to try to police thin bodies. Fatphobia is totally awful, and I very much follow a HAES approach in my politics and in my own life. I tend to think in terms of EVERY body having different health risks associated with it. Male bodies are more at risk for heart disease. Female bodies are more at risk for breast cancer. Fat bodies are more at risk for losing mobility. Thin bodies are more at risk for wasting illnesses. But it’s not that any of those bodies “aren’t good for you,” and it’s harmful to try to push a public health agenda that tells people that their bodies must be less ______. A better approach is to educate people about the ways they can be aware of their personal risks for various health problems and take proper preventative measures.

    1. Out of curiosity, is anything not a feminist issue?

      Sure, plenty of things are not explicitly feminist issues. Here, the connection between anti-fat bigotry and gender is clear, which is why I said it’s a feminist issue.

  5. The Nerd:
    Out of curiosity, is anything not a feminist issue?

    OK, so I realize that sounds douchy, but what I’m trying to say is, if you keep pointing out how certain things are feminist issues, it really sounds like you’re implying that there are other things which are decidedly NOT feminist issues.

  6. Those fat women probably spent all their energy dieting, instead of focusing on their career achievements. It is much more important to stop being fat than to work to achieve things, society teaches us this. Plus as soon as you get thin, everything will fall into place, because thinness is the answer. Oh the fantasy of being thin, how you lie to us.

  7. Macha:
    For one thing, a little pudge is healthy.Being super-skinny isn’t good for you either.And weight has little to do with health.

    These first two sentences contradict the last sentence. Can we just stick with that last one and stop saying whether a certain weight is or isn’t healthy?

  8. The Nerd:
    Out of curiosity, is anything not a feminist issue?

    Lol… good point. Is there any topic which does not involve gendered humans in any way whatsoever?

    At any rate, I like the topic is addressed in this article. A lot of times the problem I hear is that “our culture makes skinny women feel fat” and that is definitely true (eating disorders are the extreme of this). But also, the underlying message we get is that fat is very very bad and that to “feel fat” is the shittiest thing ever. Some gals are fat and pretty damn ok with that.

    In my prev workplace I have witnessed management deriding women employees because of their weight. How can this ever be seen as ok?! It’s disturbing how ok it is to discuss someone’s body in that way behind their back.

  9. Also, since we are speaking of correlations here, there are some hidden variables at play as well, such as economic status.

  10. Also, since we are speaking of correlations here, there are some hidden variables at play as well, such as economic status.

    The authors of the study controlled for other factors, including socioeconomic status, parents’ educational attainment and income, and the women’s goals.

  11. The “war against obesity” suggests that losing weight is the be all, end all and then all your health problems will be solved, which is so not true. There’s so much focus on weight alone but not overall health. As long as they keep putting weight as the #1 priority, they are fighting a losing battle.

  12. Right. I got really frustrated with Melissa McEwan when she deemed anorexia irrelevant to fat hate. Not hardly. A huge portion of it comes directly out of our cultural fat phobia. You can be any size and suffer from the effects of our collective fat phobia. It permeates women’s psychesAnd given that eating disorders are the mental illnesses most likely to lead to fatality, they’re a HUGE feminist issue. Fat hatred is literally killing women. We have to care about that if we’re going to advocate for women.

  13. Shinobi:
    Those fat women probably spent all their energy dieting, instead of focusing on their career achievements.It is much more important to stop being fat than to work to achieve things, society teaches us this.Plus as soon as you get thin, everything will fall into place, because thinness is the answer.Oh the fantasy of being thin, how you lie to us.

    On the other hand, though, there are plenty of fat women (myself included) who actually work hard at their careers and don’t focus on dieting (anymore…), but are discriminated against when it comes to promotions/pay raises/better jobs, because some people think that a fat person couldn’t possibly do the work as fast or as good as a thin person could, cannot be a good spokes person, cannot be a decent receptionist, will allegedly be on more sick days due to the diseases only (!!1!) fat people get, etc… (Not to say that “career” is the definition of “achievement”, btw.)

  14. Becky,
    That is absolutely true as well. There is discrimination, but there is also this idea that our energy should be focused on looking good, not our long term goals. I have many friends who aren’t even what I would consider fat that spend WAY more energy on their weight loss than they do on their future career prospects or other goals they hope to achieve.

    I didn’t mean to discount that there is also actual discrimination happening, which there is. Sorry I commented hastily.

  15. Absolutely, Shinobi, I agree on what you have written (just wanted to add the other perspective in my post, not contradict yours in any way) :)!

  16. samanthab:
    Right. I got really frustrated with Melissa McEwan when she deemed anorexia irrelevant to fat hate.

    Really? That doesn’t sound like her at all. Do you have a link?

  17. Shinobi:
    Those fat women probably spent all their energy dieting, instead of focusing on their career achievements.It is much more important to stop being fat than to work to achieve things, society teaches us this.Plus as soon as you get thin, everything will fall into place, because thinness is the answer.Oh the fantasy of being thin, how you lie to us.

    Hell, it’s not that dieting takes up so much energy, but that it deprives you of your energy source for doing anything. I know I couldn’t concentrate well on finals if I’d had nothing but nasty diet shakes for a week.

    But you can’t really expect someone to push for more, whether it’s a job that they’re a little under-qualified for, or a university that’s a bit of a reach to get into, or a difficult degree program, when everyone is constantly telling them they’re worthless, lazy, disgusting, inferior and stupid all because of their body.

  18. Quiet as it’s kept, the frequent weight fluctuations seen in the types of yo-yo dieting that womyn subject themselves to is way more likely to cause diabetes and heart problems than being a consistent size in the “overweight” or “fat” category.

  19. mztress:
    Quiet as it’s kept, the frequentweight fluctuations seen in the types of yo-yo dieting that womyn subject themselves to is way more likely to cause diabetes and heart problems than being a consistent size in the “overweight” or “fat” category.

    Yeah I agree. Constant dramatic weight fluctuation can’t be good for you.

  20. Not quite intending to corral the discussion, but I think this is point one:

    Fatness is routinely used as an “objective” pronouncement of worth. Moreover, given that this is a key psychological weapon for asserting dominance roles, it will never matter how much you weight. You could be skinnier than Calista Flockhart, and if it’s possible at all, say–you wear baggy clothes, someone will call you fat. They extract more labor and achieve more sales that way.

    Obscenities like:

    http://blog.twowholecakes.com/2011/05/foucault-and-bentham-walk-into-an-elementary-school-cafeteria/

    are a Mengelian display of power and harvest of power-tripping, not a serious attempt at broadening knowledge. As you will note, it’s really only the poor kids that get this sort of treatment.

    Stopping this sort of thing, and stopping discrimination on how “fat” you look–because losing weight will not change anything but who the victims are and for what reason–depends on people being conscious of profit motives and power-tripping. In this sense, there will never be a particular phrase that will be immune from being coopted by people with motives. Thinking of the children, indeed–but never actually providing healthy food, or dental care, or anything else that might take dollars from your pocket (especially to people you think of as “undeserving”, read the people you believe are inferior in nature to you, like fat people).

  21. I think the language of ending obesity is telling. I take it as more or less direct evidence that these types of campaigns are much less concerned with public health and much more concerned with enforcing gendered beauty ideals. The idea of an obesity crisis is almost humorous. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone in American culture, especially women, who think “being fat” is healthy and/or acceptable. What you will find in American culture are women who are, as samanthab put it, literally killing themselves in order not to “be fat”.

    From what I have read, the obesity “epidemic”, to the extent that it exists, is generally a result of the confluence between poverty and capitalism, and rarely due to a lack of knowledge about general health. Capitalism (in all its racist, sexist, and heteronormative forms) keeps people poor, and poverty forces them to eat Hamburger Helper instead of Lean Cuisine. There’s a reason the obesity “epidemic” disproportionately affects the poor, and as the opening post notes, then works to keep them poor.

  22. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone in American culture, especially women, who think “being fat” is healthy and/or acceptable.

    Mike,I don’t disagree that the “war on obesity” is far more about narrow beauty standards and concern trolling far more than it is about promoting health. However, I’m not at all hard pressed to find someone who thinks that being fat is healthy and acceptable; that “someone” is me.

    Specifically, I know my fat comes from the choices that are best for me. For other people, I don’t presume to judge health based on body size.

    But more importantly, human beings are “acceptable” because they are human beings. Size does not change that.

  23. Tori: Mike,I don’t disagree that the “war on obesity” is far more about narrow beauty standards and concern trolling far more than it is about promoting health. However, I’m not at all hard pressed to find someone who thinks that being fat is healthy and acceptable; that “someone” is me.

    Specifically, I know my fat comes from the choices that are best for me. For other people, I don’t presume to judge health based on body size.

    But more importantly, human beings are “acceptable” because they are human beings. Size does not change that.

    Tori, fair enough. I was buying into the same type of language that the war on obesity uses to demonize people who do not conform to their ideals. Better said, I think you would be hard pressed to find someone in American culture who is not aware that the dominant narrative demands “thin” bodies over “fat” bodies on the basis of public health, regardless of whether or not those demands are actually healthy for the persons in question.

  24. One likely explanation for some of the observed effect is that, controlling for socioeconomic status, parents are less likely to fund the college educations of fat daughters. (See studies published by Chris Crandall in the 1991 and 1995 issues of Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin.)

  25. @sara
    It was a country-specific study, but I read one that showed that parents in that (developed, “westernized”) country were far less likely to fund a daughter’s college education regardless. (Which in that country basically means no college for you). It wouldn’t surprise me if gender, then weight were factors.

  26. Ashley:
    The “war against obesity” suggests that losing weight is the be all, end all and then all your health problems will be solved, which is so not true. There’s so much focus on weight alone but not overall health. As long as they keep putting weight as the #1 priority, they are fighting a losing battle.

    My doctors told me for years and years that I wouldn’t get better from my mysterious chronic ailments until I lost weight, despite the fact that the lack of energy, food cravings and insomnia had caused this weight gain. Since I never had diabetes, and was tested for it constantly, they were stumped…and did nothing about it.

    Turned out I had celiac disease. Once I stopped eating gluten, the pounds began to come off.

    I’m not saying everyone who’s fat is unhealthy or that all fatness is caused by disease processes.

    I’m saying that I had to fight to get tested for celiac disease and that there are a lot of people in the world, especially women, whose chronic illnesses and health problems go undiagnosed and untreated because doctors see fat and decide that it absolutely must be the cause of anything and everything that’s wrong with you, so they don’t need to investigate.

    I recently had to cut a doctor off on the verge of going into the weight discussion and inform her that I was there because I’d hurt my shoulder and would she please just take a look at it?

  27. On the subject of fat woman and cultural shaming.. My second job is as a pedicab driver and I have NEVER had a larger woman ride my cab. Skinny women ride, men of all sizes ride, but larger women just shake their heads and keep going when I offer them a lift. And I know how they feel – I’m not very fat but I’m a pretty hefty girl and sometimes I can’t help but be embarrassed to be seen doing or eating things that are “bad” in public. Like if I eat a candy bar in class, “Pifft, no wonder she’s chubby”. You just know that poor woman, wearing business attire and heels in 97 degree heat… is thinking that if she gets into the cab, people are going to look at her and think she’s fat and lazy. And she’s right. It makes me so angry.

    I’m 5’1.5″, by the way, and about 165 lbs. 🙂 On a particularly well hydrated day I’m technically obese on the BMI scale. But I’m strong and healthy (as a horse! Hah! Arie-Drawn Carriage) and my legs last longer than a good half of the males in my pedicab depot.

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