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“Thanks for the tacos, now get out of our country”

From an article on the Brooklyn Tea Party:

Dr. John Press, president of the Brooklyn Tea Party, doesn’t believe in multiculturalism. Instead, he believes in “culturism.”

Press believes in America’s roots as a Judeo-Christian society, and as such, his group believes in an adherence to the values associated with Judeo-Christian cultures.

“When they say that all cultures are our friends, and anybody who supports having a border is racist, they undervalue us and do us a disservice, and quite frankly endanger the continuation of America,” Press said. “That’s why we’ve got to replace multiculturalism with culturism.”

The organization was the brainchild of Press and a few friends, who had seen the Staten Island Tea Party achieve success. What began as small meetings at a local pizza shop grew through word of mouth, paper flyers, and a Facebook page. Now the group meets every Sunday at Kosher Hut on King’s Highway.

Press says he is not a racist, but instead a “culturist.” He says that multiculturalism does not work, and that all countries have a core set of cultural aesthetics — like Judeo-Christian teachings in America, for example — they need to sustains themselves as nations.

“If this was racism, there would be no hope, because people are not going to change their skin color,” Press said. “But this is culturism. People can change their culture.”

People sure can change their culture and assimilate and leave their own practices and belief systems behind when they come to the United States. But historically, that’s not exactly how it’s worked.

You keep on enjoying the Kosher Hut in Brooklyn, Mr. Press.


76 thoughts on “Thanks for the tacos, now get out of our country”

  1. He doesn’t want people who don’t have “Judeo-Christian values” coming into the country…?

    He is aware, right, that Mexico is hugely Christian? And that at least 25% (and I’m sure this is an under-estimation) of people who are US citizens are not religious at all– not including those who were born here who have other religious beliefs?

    What a… dumbass.

  2. He must feel very clever, having found the supposed I’m-not-racist loophole that racists everywhere have been seeking for years.

    So, (thick sarcasm here,) the issue isn’t that they have darker skin, don’t speak our language, or are stealing our jobs. The issue is “cultural purity”? How very evolved of him.

  3. “If this was racism, there would be no hope, because people are not going to change their skin color,” Press said. “But this is culturism. People can change their culture.”

    I’d never read something so pathetic of an excuse to discriminate in my entire life. He rationalizes like a 4-year-old.

    Press believes in America’s roots as a Judeo-Christian society, and as such, his group believes in an adherence to the values associated with Judeo-Christian cultures.

    This proves that he also fails epically to see the difference between religion and culture, as April has already indirectly stated.

  4. Hey man!

    mikki 9.19.2010 at 3:12 pm

    Well said. But don’t forget that those same immigrant-hating folk would like to keep the cuisine, music, clothing, etc. of the feared ones. Thanks for the tacos, now go home.

    I feel so…. appropriated.

    (Actually I am sure a million ppl have used that line.)

  5. I think I am going to start charging a dollar every time some Christian refers to the Judeo-Christian foundations of our country. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THEY DO NOT DO THE SAME THING. It is some bigoted bullshit designed to make Christians sound more inclusive and historic.

    Also, I bet you a dollar he would never accept something like “the Protestant-Catholic foundations of our country.”

    Yes, I will take all these dollars and donate them to Park51. 😉

  6. @April-I’m guessing maybe he’s targeting Muslim immigrants instead of Hispanics? It did mention he was at a protest against the “mosque” near Ground Zero.

  7. Spanish is clearly closer to God than English, what with it being a Latin derivative, and Latin being the Official Christian Language from Constantine to the spit of the church, so he must be in favor of Spanish*-language governmental services.

    And, as April upthread pointed out, the countries of Latin America are full of Christians, so clearly letting all those God-fearing Latino Catholics immigrate will only increase the Judeo-Christian-ness of our culture.

    ¡Vaya con Dios, mi amgio!

    * And the other Romance languages of course. And probably Greek and Hebrew, to stick with the fine pillars of Judeo-Christian culture. Or something.

  8. But people choose to participate in brown-skinned activities! We’re not racist against people for BEING brown, but it’s totally legit that we hate people for their accents. And weird food. And celebrating quinceaneras instead of Sweet 16s. And sleepiness. And being lazy. And drug cartels. What part of this is racist, Jill???

    I really fucking hate people sometimes.

  9. I just…. it’s just…. I mean….. what?….. um….. Yeah. Arguments like this never fail to totally blow my mind. Yeah, we wouldn’t want people that are different from us coming into our country and doing things differently than we do! I mean really, who would do such a thing? We white people are all about respecting the cultures of people that were in the country before us. *Mega-sigh*

    Not to mention, of course, the excellent points above mentioned by April.

  10. Okay, when we get everyone converted to JudeoChristianity, or too scared to admit to a different religion– we still have work to do.
    Like the good Christians in Kentucky who appreciate a rack of ribs when the Bible specifically forbids pork. Which way should a JudeoChristian go? And grape juice at Passover– takes getting used to. And should we circumcise adult men, or just make it mandatory for all male infants?
    On the Jewish side, will they agree to be baptized? Think of how much trouble Jews have caused throughout history by refusing to do this one little thing to make the Christian majority happy.
    The JudeoChristian America will be a brave new world for all of us– I’ll wait to see which day we’ll all go to church together.

  11. It requires a lot of rhetorical skill (or disassociation from brain activity) to announce you’d like to return to the “culturalism” that arose from, um, the blending of >2 cultures. As demonstrated by the term “Judeo-Christian.” Or does he think Catholics and Baptists and Methodists and Lutherans are as similar as falafel and another falafel?

  12. “If this was racism, there would be no hope, because people are not going to change their skin color,” Press said.

    This is the most disgusting thing I have read in a while. So, basically, racism does not make any sense to him because people are simply not able to change the colour of their skin… (kind of obvious that he’s secretly thinking: “Dammit…!”) So, given that tragic misfortune of involuntary pigmentation, Mr. Press and his fellow Tea Baggers have to recur to the (rather old) concept of exchanging a racist concept of “biology” (or: genetics, or: skin colour) for the code-word “culture”, which, after all, means exactly the same: “No WASP?! Bugger… Now get the hell out.”
    The Tea Party “Movement” is a crowd of really horrible people…

  13. I’m mostly repeating what other people have said but:
    1. Mexico is certainly a LOT more uniformly Christian (even if we decide that the distinction between Christians and Jews is too small to worry about*) than, say, Brooklyn. The US in general, but ESPECIALLY Brooklyn.

    2. If we’re going to say that there’s such a thing as “Judeo-Christian” culture, well. . . how did that come to be? Didn’t it have to involve Jewish and Christian cultures in some way merging, which is supposedly a terrible mistake?

    3. I’m not even clear on how the assimilation argument even works for a case about borders: are immigrants supposed to assimilate to our culture BEFORE we even let them enter the country? That seems pretty difficult.

    *to be fair, the Emperor Titus believed this too. That’s why he was confident that destroying the Temple in Jerusalem would also eliminate Christianity, like killing the roots of a tree. He was pretty much dead on about that, right?

  14. Who’s “they”?

    Which “they” are saying that anyone who wants a border is a “racist”?

    Okay, “Judaeo-Christian Valuist Culturalists” – keep making shit up to prove your point. It’s worked since 1994, unfortunately.

  15. Wait … people who don’t like foreign cultures are meeting in a pizza joint and a kosher restaurant? Irony is dead.

  16. I refuse to take the term “Judeo-Christian” seriously until Passover, Rosh Hashanah, and Yom Kippur are declared federal holidays in the same vein as Easter, Christmas, etc.

  17. Not everybody in America is “Judeo-Christian” um I am a pagan, more to the point I am a Witch, I don’t have a religion, these tea-partyers think that they are the only ones living in the United States. And yea, that is racism, asshole.

  18. I thought paganism assumed a polytheistic belief system, Heather. Can you point me to some kind of reference site so I can learn more?

    Also, does anyone remember the part of the Bible where Jesus was all, “Fuck it, dude. It’s not that they’re brown; it’s that they’re different.” I’m an atheist, but assuming Jesus was real and presuming the gospels are the closest thing to a biography that we’re going to get, Jesus was pretty baller, wasn’t he? Pretty sure he wasn’t like, “Fuck immigrants.”

  19. “But this is culturism. People can change their culture.” – it could take generations. changing culture is not like changing a tv channel… feel sorry for him.

  20. I think Jesus was pretty consistently anti-small-minded-bigotry. But I’m an atheist American, not a practicing Catholic, so I don’t know very much about Jesus, other than the basic stuff like how he was born in what is now Massachusetts and enjoyed a primitive form of touch football between sermons on investing in gold.

    If you’re Judeo-Christian, do you have to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, or the opposite?

  21. If the inhabitants of Mexico were white, no one would have the slightest problem with immigration.

    Just stating the obvious..

  22. piny, from the ever-accurate wikipedia that quoted a WaPo article, “‘Judeo-Christian values’ is shorthand for a complex idea: the common culture of the American majority. The values are called Judeo-Christian because they derive from the complementary ideas of free will, the moral accountability of the individual rather than the group, the spiritual imperative of imperfect man’s struggle to do what is right and the existence of true moral law in the teachings of Christ and the Jewish prophets.”

    YEAH. Wrap your head around that, in light of the post.

  23. Austin Nedved: If the inhabitants of Mexico were white, no one would have the slightest problem with immigration.Just stating the obvious..  

    That’s an interesting theory, an interesting statement.

    If Canada’s economy collapsed two years from now and there was a flood of immigrants (both legal and illegal) across our northern shoulder, do you think we’d hear a whisper of protest in the news?

  24. @Marksman and Austin – prejudice against the Irish? We’ve done that in the US. They’re white.

    I still think ethnicity is a factor with the prejudice against Mexicans in this country, however.

  25. (I’m answering a question, not trying to defend or praise him. I think his actions and words are those of a jerk, honestly.)

    The fact that a Ph.D. who insists on being called “doctor” might be a jerk does not astonish me.

  26. are immigrants supposed to assimilate to our culture BEFORE we even let them enter the country?

    I guess if they want to be here, they must assimilate outside of the Judeo-Christian culture. And if they can’t assimilate to the Judeo-Christian culture because they aren’t here, then they don’t get to come.

    How fucking stupid. This is seriously their argument against immigration. Sorry, no. Try again.

  27. How’d he get that PHD? I smell a big huge smelly rat right there.
    Seriously, NYU? This sounds more like a Liberty University “Alum.”
    I hate this economy. Too many cockroaches are crawling out and about. They need to be squished.

  28. The beautiful bustle that is New York City would screech to a hault the minute this fool had his way. The actual term this git is looking for is accultration, which is basically being fully absorbed by the culture in which a person is immigrating to. Suffice it to say it doesn’t usually work if the person is noticably “other’ looking. (Just ask browner people who’ve been here for generation upon genration how well the melting pot works) we as a culture get to pick and choose what aspects of OTHER cultures to keep; all the while valuing the dominant culture above the ones we’re strip mining. The idea that one HAS to acclutrate in order to “make it” in America has changed, frankly because a lot of the ideology that was sold to hard working immigrants of varying ethnicities turned out to be based on other things…

  29. How’d he get that PHD? I smell a big huge smelly rat right there.
    Seriously, NYU? This sounds more like a Liberty University “Alum.”
    I hate this economy. Too many cockroaches are crawling out and about. They need to be squished. Politicalguineapig

    1. Considering his dissertation is on the history of education, he was doing his PhD through NYU’s school of education. Ed schools tend to have lower admission requirements than other professional/academic counterparts…especially when I know of several students who managed to get into Columbia and Harvard’s graduate ed programs with sub-3.0 GPAs and GRE scores that would not have been acceptable at any other grad/professional school on the same campus.

    2. From what I heard from classmates who went through ed school and/or academic grad school(GSAS), with a few exceptions academic standards are much higher in the academic grad school than in the ed school on the same given campus.

    3. I had the dubious pleasure of encountering a ranting tea partier at my polling site who has an EdD from Columbia University’s Teacher’s College. 🙄

  30. I think I am going to start charging a dollar every time some Christian refers to the Judeo-Christian foundations of our country. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THEY DO NOT DO THE SAME THING. It is some bigoted bullshit designed to make Christians sound more inclusive and historic.

    This.

    I’m so sick of Christians who only really like theoretical Jews deciding what’s important about Jewish tradition, and then that it’s theirs.

  31. Thanks for the info! I’m still confused on where the specific Judeo thing comes in. Isn’t that pretty much…just Christian?

    I must be missing something.

  32. If we were going to model our behaviors and beliefs on the “founding fathers” of this country, we’d have to go the route of Deism. Which I don’t think these folks would be all that enthused over.

  33. Politicalguineapig:

    Politicalguineapig: How’d he get that PHD? I smell a big huge smelly rat right there.
    Seriously, NYU? This sounds more like a Liberty University “Alum.”
    I hate this economy. Too many cockroaches are crawling out and about. They need to be squished. Politicalguineapig

    Sadly, a Ph.D. does not guarantee that the holder has can apply critical thinking and logic outside of their field of study. I got my degree in mathematics and some of my fellow students were really, really bad at logical reasoning when it came to political issues. In a debate over same-sex marriage, someone once asked me for a legal argument for why same-sex civil marriage would be different and not automatically lead to legal polygamy…. and then rejected my argument because it _was_ a legal argument.

  34. Wednesday, Exholt: Thanks for clearing that up for me. Silly me, I thought having a PHD was supposed to indicate intelligence. (It might still, but only in a narrow range of knowledge.)

  35. I really don’t understand what people like Mr. Press fear exactly.

    I imagine just simply “they look different therefore they are different” mentality?

  36. So people have touched on this, but I feel it needs to be said more explicitly. This dude is SO not Christian. I mean, I know that I am not the sole arbiter of Christianity, but he is losing sight of some pretty key values:
    Luke 10:27 (New International Version)
    Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, Love your neighbor as yourself.
    Micah 6:8
    He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
    I could find other quotes, but I have no interest in forcing a ‘Judeo-Christian’ mindset on folks. Suffice it to say that this guy is not at all like the Christians I admire, and has taken ‘Judeo-Christian’ to mean “white” or “white American.”

  37. Christian…christian… guess who really, really love Jesus, referred to by some as ‘the Christ’? Muslims! So, if they love Jesus then surely they should be welcome? They have more commonalities, with both Jews and Christians, than differences.

    Yay, a new Abrahamic future, with latkes, and pizza, and kofte for all!

  38. Austin Nedved: If the inhabitants of Mexico were white, no one would have the slightest problem with immigration.

    I think it’s very likely that racism is much of the reason that mexican immigrants are demonized and feared, but I think a lot of it is just that they’re poor and so willing to work for less. This threatens people here who are afraid of falling wages. In the EU you can move between member states to work, and there’s a lot of opposition, fear, and hatred around polish, bulgarian, and other (mostly white) workers from lower-wage eastern european countries coming to western europe for work. (In a few states, such as ireland, there are still restrictions on intra-EU immigrants working there)

    News article: ireland tries to deport 5000 bulgarian and romanians

    Youtube comments, ugly as usual

  39. I think it’s very likely that racism is much of the reason that mexican immigrants are demonized and feared, but I think a lot of it is just that they’re poor and so willing to work for less.

    True dat. It’s why the Irish were demonized in the early 19th century, and why they (among lots of others), once they got established, turned around and demonized Eastern Europeans who were willing to undercut wages in the mines and mills.

    The difference is, we didn’t have the ridiculous arrangement then that we have now, where we turn a blind eye to illegal immigration so that illegal immigrants can be kept in a permanent state of fear and subjection.

  40. I know other posters have already mentioned this, but it bears repetition. Mr. Press needs to seriously reconsider his “culturalism”. By defining it as Judeo-Christian (let’s pretend for a moment that this category has a coherent meaning, which could work, since historians use this term all the time to refer broadly to traditions that came to Europe through it’s eastern Mediterranean influences, which were largely religious – in contrast to say, Rome), he is NOT excluding people from Latin America. Dear Mr. Press, all of Latin America is culturally Catholic. I’m guessing that he is an evangelical Christian of the stripe who doesn’t really believe that Catholics are Christian, but here’s a reality check – they really, really are. In fact, for 1300 years or so in western Europe they didn’t call it Catholicism, they just called it Christianity because there wasn’t any other game in town. It wasn’t until the early 16th century that the Protestant reform movements launched theological challenges to the Catholic Church. Thus, using Mr. Press’s definition of culture, he has the EXACT SAME culture as a Mexican, a Guatemalan, or a Brazilian. Now of course what Mr. Press means isn’t Judeo-Christian, but PROTESTANT – a very specific understanding of Christianity that took root largely in northern and central Europe beginning in the early sixteenth century. Typical WASP stuff – it’s Protestant, it’s white, it’s English-speaking.

    As someone noted above, the Irish were discriminated against terribly in this country in the 19th and early 20th century. So were Italians, Portuguese, and all eastern Europeans. While we in the States think of skin color when we think about race, these groups were all racialized by the WASP PTB – what I mean is, people understood and described these groups (which to us are “white”) as racially inferior. This was partially based on their religions, because they were not Protestant, but built into was a whole idea about who was more “civilized” than whom. Mr. Press is the direct heir to this 19th and 20th century racist ideology, and if he thinks he isn’t a racist, he’s delusional as well.

  41. I think the ending quote is actually really revealing of Press’ beliefs. What makes racism wrong is that race is an involuntary category that people can’t change. It’s not wrong in and of itself, but but because race can’t be changed. If you could snap your fingers and be white, then it would be more acceptable to resent people for not snapping their fingers and being white.

    That really explains quite a bit, I think.

  42. Define irony: complaining about people not completely assimilating into what you deem an acceptable cultural expression while patronizing Jewish and Italian restaurants.

  43. “If the inhabitants of Mexico were white, no one would have the slightest problem with immigration.”

    People have already brought up prejudice against the Irish, etc., but it’s not quite right to understand this as “there’s prejudice against white people too.” The definition of “white” changes over time, and the people who wanted to keep out Irish and Italians thought of them as separate races. So the above statement might be better phrased to show the opposite causation: “If no one had a problem with Mexican immigration, the inhabitants of Mexico would be considered white.”

    Also, on what a PhD is (or should be), the absolute best explanation is at http://matt.might.net/articles/phd-school-in-pictures/ Check it out! Of course, though, that’s just the idea of a PhD, and no one would claim that the system works perfectly: there are plenty of useless idiots with PhDs out there, and plenty of people who expand human knowledge without being granted doctorates for it.

  44. @Fat Steve The Tea Party has said they’re libertarian since who knows when, but I don’t think anyone was ever dumb enough to believe that. If they were libertarian, they’d care about peoples’ rights and freedoms, like, I don’t know, their right to marry anyone of their choosing regardless of gender, or a woman’s right to make her own decision about a pregnancy, or an adult’s right to consume cannabis if they so choose…

    They just like the “Libertarian” label because it’s not something that implies they’re Republican or Conservative, and because some libertarian views are advantageous for big corporations (the views run the gamut from complete anarchy to borderline corporate facism to old-school liberalism).

  45. latinist: the above statement might be better phrased to show the opposite causation: “If no one had a problem with Mexican immigration, the inhabitants of Mexico would be considered white.”

    I’m not sure about that either. I don’t believe many people object to japanese immigration to the usa, but they are considered asian, not white.

  46. Jeff: No one complains about Japanese immigration NOW. Back in the day, there was quite a lot of howling. Doesn’t anyone study history anymore?

  47. Natalia: baller

    THIS.

    Dr John Wossname and his fellow teabaggers wouldn’t let Jesus or his disciples in the country. Dude’d probably point at Jesus and scream “Moozluum! Terrorist!”

  48. Wait, what? The “quote this comment” quoted only the word “Baller”?

    I intended to quote all of Natalia’s comment.

  49. By doing that, GG, you inadvertently made me seem cooler than I actually am.

    I wish all of my comments were a simple, to-the-point “baller”.

  50. Politicalguineapig: Jeff: No one complains about Japanese immigration NOW. Back in the day, there was quite a lot of howling. Doesn’t anyone study history anymore?  

    Unfortunately, the quality of history teaching in most US K-12 schools is lousy and spotty at best. Even if someone was given the benefit of a great history education, however, most students IME tend to tune it out as “boring” and “irrelevant”…..especially those who don’t major in or work in history/history related fields.

    Considering Jeff’s resume, he’s par for the course for most STEM majors I’ve studied and worked with who were so focused on their scientific/engineering/technological studies/pursuits that they tuned out anything which wasn’t a part of their major studies or cherished hobbies.

  51. Exholt: I know about the education gaps in history and it always annoys me. “Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat its mistakes,” you know. And quite a lot of people are making the same old mistakes.

  52. not that reason is persuasive to tea partiers, but I think that using the “culturist” discourse you can only hate either muslims or latin americans, not both. either we’re a judeo-christian country to the exclusion or we’re like an english-only country (or something, I’m bad at rationalizing bigotry), I think defining our culture to exclude both these groups abuses an already transparent logic.

    But on the whole this is largely clown shoes and it leaves me questioning how someone can get a doctorate in education without having taken one cultural anthropology course. “What!? You mean my rhetoric was used by eugenicists!”

  53. Yes, it’s definitely true that people used to have a much bigger problem with Japanese immigration than they do today, although I think mentioning that kind of misses Jeff’s point, because *today*, there isn’t really a loud outcry, and *today*, Japanese people still aren’t seen as white, so it cannot be as simple as having no problem with immigration means they are seen as white.

    I think it’s because at the time the Japanese were also seen as poor, lower class people (and for a time, as recent wartime enemies). Now the dominant stereotype has the Japanese as educated and upper-middle-class. It’s A-OK if you’re an immigrant from upper-middle-class-land. But the dominant stereotype of Mexicans? Poor people, low education. That’s just not okay; you don’t need to live near people with poor-people-accents, it will make you feel scared and confused and crave Fajitas. Or something.

    When you mix being a visible minority with being in a lower economic class, it becomes very easy to pick you out and shut you down, but just getting rid of one doesn’t necessarily fix the other. Even if you’re a rich Mexican. Or a poor Japanese person for that matter: even poor individuals can “benefit” from being seen as a member of a “rich” other compared to a “poor” other.

  54. @Emily

    The Tea Party kind of libertarianism is based around very different assumptions of what the default “freedom” is. Freedom is being able to discriminate against people based on race, sexuality, what-have-you within your own private business without the government tell you that you can’t. Freedom is not having the government make you acknowledge a gay couple as married from a legal standpoint. It’s also a very falsely naive assumption that power only exists when the government takes it, otherwise “the people” have it. Because corporations don’t exist, I would surmise.

    It’s a very different set of assumptions that makes debate and discussion difficult because there is no place to start from. Also, and then there are of course the segments who use all that just as a stand-in for the fact that they’re pretty racist.

  55. Politicalguineapig: Jeff: No one complains about Japanese immigration NOW. Back in the day, there was quite a lot of howling. Doesn’t anyone study history anymore?  

    Right. Japanese immigration used to be a big deal in the us, and opposition to it was generally really racist. That is unrelated to latinist’s claim that “if no one had a problem with Mexican immigration, the inhabitants of Mexico would be considered white”. I’m trying to present the case of japanese immigrants to america today as a counterexample, not those to late 19th or 20th century america.

    That people don’t object much to it now isn’t about the japanese being considered white but that japanese immigrants now are generally wealthier and better educated.

  56. exholt: Considering Jeff’s resume, he’s par for the course for most STEM majors I’ve studied and worked with who were so focused on their scientific/engineering/technological studies/pursuits that they tuned out anything which wasn’t a part of their major studies or cherished hobbies.

    How can you tell what subjects I “tuned out” from my resume? You can tell some of the classes I took (only those relevant to my field) and where I’ve worked, but how do you read from it that I’ve not studied history at all?

  57. From the OP:

    “If this was racism, there would be no hope, because people are not going to change their skin color,” Press said. “But this is culturism. People can change their culture.”

    This guy’s line of reasoning reeks of the age old human tendency to say “you’d better conform to the ways of the larger group, or we will impose social sanctions upon you until you do.” Embracing that tendency as virtuous is a surefire way to fall into prejudiced thinking. “If you’re different, we have a right to discriminate against you. You’re defiance of what is normal justifies the pain we inflict upon you.” It doesn’t matter if this attitude focuses on race, religion, or sexuality. The thought process remains the same and that thought process ultimately leads to oppressive forms of behavior. Ultimately, we use difference as the basis for dehumanization and we use dehumanization as an avenue to justify hurting minority populaces. It’s conformist bullshit.

    Furthermore, I am so tired of the “this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values” crap. If we really want to be faithful to the spiritual values of those who lived on the continent before us, then perhaps we should toss Abrahamic religions out the window and adopt the various forms of Native American spiritual beliefs and values that existed before European Christians came to this continent and pushed its rightful residents off their land.

    Just sayin’.

  58. Jeff Kaufman:
    How can you tell what subjects I “tuned out” from my resume?You can tell some of the classes I took (only those relevant to my field) and where I’ve worked, but how do you read from it that I’ve not studied history at all?  

    You’d be amazed what you can derive about someone’s thoughts and abilities by a cursory glance, especially if you just generalize them into a convenient, preconceived group based on your personal experiences. I feel like there’s a single, handy word for that technique, but it eludes me at the moment.

  59. @rice

    Oh, I don’t think they’re so naive as to think that corporations don’t exist or can’t have power, but I think they just count corporations as part of “the people”. Remember a few months (or was it longer) back when there was this controversy cause someone was trying to claim that corporations should have the same rights as individuals? They love their rich CEO’s who donate all that money to their campaigns…

    I admit, when the very first “Tea Party” protests started, I was mildly curious about the movement. Then they got religion-ized and became downright hateful and scary. My favorite example of how they changed was originally the people who would later become tea partiers seemed to support Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates, whom I disagreed with less than any of the other candidates, and they all supported net neutrality by proxy (it was Ron Paul’s “signature” cause). Fast forward two years, Obama’s talking about net neutrality which would prevent the right’s precious corporations from taking over the internet, and they’re all yelling about socialist government control of the internet. *headbash*

    So I got a little off-topic, but basically, I really, REALLY can not figure these people out. It’s like they’re speaking the same language, but all the words have different meanings that they don’t tell you!

  60. How can you tell what subjects I “tuned out” from my resume? You can tell some of the classes I took (only those relevant to my field) and where I’ve worked, but how do you read from it that I’ve not studied history at all? Jeff Kaufman

    Because your assertion is not only questionable based on past history, but also exhibits ignorance of recent history. Exhibit#1: The anti-Japanese/anti-Asian hysteria during the 1970’s into the late 1980’s exhibited by many Americans because of the trade imbalance between US-Japan. One victim of this was Vincent Chin who was murdered by two racist thugs during the early 1980’s because of his being mistaken as Japanese and blamed for the “loss of American jobs”. I not only read about this hysteria, but actually am old enough to remember seeing it exhibited in the form of racist taunts/beatings as an elementary/junior high student in that period.

    Moreover, the same crap is being now perpetuated to some extent on the Chinese-American community as a result of Mainland China’s rise as a regional power and wait……US-China trade imbalances. Have you seen the many “real American” complaints about how “the Chinese” are “taking over the US”….and how it is used against Chinese-Americans??

  61. exholt: your assertion is not only questionable based on past history, but also exhibits ignorance of recent history. Exhibit#1: The anti-Japanese/anti-Asian hysteria during the 1970’s into the late 1980’s exhibited by many Americans because of the trade imbalance between US-Japan. One victim of this was Vincent Chin who was murdered by two racist thugs during the early 1980’s because of his being mistaken as Japanese and blamed for the “loss of American jobs”. I not only read about this hysteria, but actually am old enough to remember seeing it exhibited in the form of racist taunts/beatings as an elementary/junior high student in that period.

    Moreover, the same crap is being now perpetuated to some extent on the Chinese-American community as a result of Mainland China’s rise as a regional power and wait……US-China trade imbalances. Have you seen the many “real American” complaints about how “the Chinese” are “taking over the US”….and how it is used against Chinese-Americans?? exholt

    There is lots of racism and xenophobia directed at chinese americans in the usa right now, yes. There was lots of racism and xenophobia directed at the japanese during the early 1900s and the 1980s, yes. I wrote:

    I don’t believe many people object to japanese immigration to the usa, but they are considered asian, not white.

    in response to latinist writing:

    If no one had a problem with Mexican immigration, the inhabitants of Mexico would be considered white.

    To argue that my attempt at a counterexample doesn’t work, the premises to attack are either that “not many people object to japanese immigration to the usa” or “they are considered asian, not white”. So talking about *current* antijapanese sentiment in the usa would work. But examples of people objecting to japanese immigration in the past only work to show that my specific counterexample doesn’t apply during those time periods.

  62. “What began as small meetings at a local pizza shop…”

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLLLOLOLOLOOLOLOMLKFMKA

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