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But I didn’t mean *that*…

There was at least one comment on my last post talking about what A’s pediatrician might have meant when she said princess skin and whether or not she intended anything negative by it. And honestly, did it matter anyway? I’ve been meaning to write about this for some time: I don’t care what the pediatrician (or anyone else, for that matter) intended when she said princess skin. I care that she said it. And it matters a whole hell of a lot.

First, some Jay Smooth.

Transcript follows.

Transcript: [The whole video is shot in black in white, with Jay Smooth facing the camera delivering the following speech. Periodically, small clips of text in yellow font appear on either side of his face to emphasize a point.] Race! The final frontier. No matter what channel you watch, what feed you aggregate, everybody everywhere is talking about race right now. And when everybody everywhere is talking about race, sooner or later you’re going to have to tell somebody that they said something that sounded racist. So you need to be ready and have a plan in place about how to approach the inevitable “That sounded racist,” conversation. I’m going to tell you how to do that.

The most important that you’ve got to do is remember the difference between the “What they did,” conversation and “What they are,” conversation. Those are two totally different conversation and you need to make sure you pick the right one. The “what they did,” conversation focuses specifically on the person’s words and actions in explaining why what they said and what they did was unacceptable. That’s also known as the “that thing you said was racist,” conversation, and that’s the conversation that you want to have. The “what they are,” conversation, on the other hand, goes a step further and uses what they did and what they said to draw conclusions about what kind of person they are. This is also known as the “I think you are a racist,” conversation. This is the conversation you don’t want to have, because that conversation takes us away from the facts of what they did into speculation about their motives and intentions. And those are things you can only guess at and can’t ever prove, and makes it too easy for them to derail your whole argument.

And that is the part that’s crucial to understand. When you say “I think he’s a racist,” that’s not a bad move because you might be wrong, it’s a bad move because you might be right. Because if that dude really is racist you want to make sure you hold him accountable and don’t let him off easy. And even though, intuitively, it seems like the hardest way to hit him is to just run up on him and say “I think your ass is racist,” when you handle it that way, you’re letting him off easy because you’re setting up a conversation that’s way too simple for him to derail and duck out of.

Just think about how this plays out every time a politician or a celebrity gets called out. It always starts out as a “what they did,” conversation, but as soon as the celebrity and their defenders get on camera, they start doing judo flips and switching it into a “what they are,” conversation. [Making a mock serious face] I have known this person for years, and I know for a fact that they are not a racist and how dare you claim to know what’s inside their soul just because they made one little joke about watermelon tap dancing and going back to Africa! And you try to explain that we don’t need to see their soul to know they shouldn’t have said all that shit about the watermelon and focus on the facts of the situation. But by then, it’s too late because the “what they are,” conversation is a rhetorical Bermuda Triangle where everything drowns in a sea of empty posturing until somebody just blames it all on hip-hop and we forget the whole thing ever happened.

Don’t let this happen to you. When somebody picks my pocket, I’m not going to be chasing him down, so I can figure out whether he feels like he’s a thief deep down in his heart. I’m going to be chasing him down so I can get my wallet back. I don’t care what he is, but I need to hold him accountable for what he did. And that’s how we need to approach these conversations about race. Treat them like they took your wallet and focus on the part that matters: holding each person accountable for the impact of their words and actions. I don’t care what you are. I care about what you did.

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I really like this video because it gets right to heart of what’s so problematic about characterizing something/someone as racist. One only need look at the recent Tea Party/Shirley Sherrod/Andrew Brietbart debacle to see how incredibly sensitive people are to the idea that someone might call them racist. It’s as though they have internalized the idea that being called a racist is a terrible, terrible thing. It’s a blight upon one’s soul and deeply hurtful to be called a racist, don’t you understand!? But they haven’t really internalized the idea that having something you said called racist (a) isn’t character assassination or commentary on one’s soul (b) that’s there’s anything to be sorry for. Here’s a great example: I hate Obama, but I’m not a racist even though I draw the President with overly racialized features and invoke a wide variety of racist tropes in my artwork! How dare anyone demand an apology from me!

Of course, you don’t even have to turn to such egregious examples: my story about the pediatrician works just fine, too. I am quite certain that the doctor didn’t mean anything derogatory when she said it. I’m 100% certain that she thought it was either neutral or complimentary. However, princess skin and those comics don’t exist in a vacuum. If the comment thread on my post is anything to go by, the princess narrative (and who gets to be called a princess on the basis of appearance and who doesn’t) was genuinely hurtful to people as they were growing up. Every single time it gets repeated, that narrative reinforces the privilege which underlies it. Little, seemingly inconsequential* remarks matter.

Which is why intent doesn’t count when you’re talking about the harm done and the reinforcing of privilege. It doesn’t matter if the doctor is well-meaning or not. Sure, her intentions might make a difference if I were to go to her and say “Hey, I think saying princess skin was problematic for the following reasons,” in the hopes of a constructive conversation. But it’s not going to make the slightest bit of difference to the people who are hurt by that narrative. Once again, the princesses are white (and pale), blond, and blue-eyed.

Here’s the other thing about intent: I am a white person in a society that privileges whiteness, and that gives me power. My skin makes me per se more authoritative, more visible, and more credible than if society weren’t racist. When I, intentionally, negligently, or thoughtlessly, reinforce stereotypes and racist tropes, it’s yet another drop in the deluge. Even if it’s small, it’s a genuine contribution to systemic racism and the privileging of whiteness. (So, by the way, is inevitable the “but I’m a good person and I’m sorry, can I have absolution and a cookie?”) The doctor, like me, is white. She’s also got access to that increased power. I don’t want to be trite, but with power comes responsibility. You have to be careful with saying things like that, because people really do hear it.

*And let’s be clear here: the ability to see something like that as inconsequential is another manifestation of privilege.


21 thoughts on But I didn’t mean *that*…

  1. “…the ability to see something like that as inconsequential is another manifestation of privilege.” In a word, EXACTLY!

    thanks for sharing this video. it’s well worth the 3 minute look see.

  2. I don’t think I have commented here yet, but I wanted to pop in quickly to say that I am thoroughly enjoying your posts. That video is fantastic, thank you for posting it.

  3. To preempt the “I’m not a racist!” defence, I have started trying to follow two rules of thumb when talking about people.

    – not to reduce people to nouns other than ‘person’. (Or I suppose, ‘woman’ or ‘man’, but I’m trying to avoid them except when neccessary).

    – not to ascribe actions to some innate quality of a person, which is more difficult, but is a direct result of my watching that Jay Smooth video one too many times. It started with calling out actions rather than throwing labels at people, but spreads into other things, and it occured to me something I learned as an educator.

    People simply respond better when you address their actions rather than judging their character. Children improve better at school when they’re complimented on good work and effort, than when they’re told “you’re clever/talented/gifted”, because if you’re told you’re just ‘good’ or ‘bad’ at something, you don’t put in the effort.

    So, I agree with what you say, Evil Fizz. To chip away at the systematic reinforcing at privilege, we need to address actions. Let someone think you’re just calling them a ‘racist’, and we’ll never persuade them to change.

  4. I liked the part where he said the politicians were doing judo flips, and turning it into a what they are conversation.

  5. Yeah, the video comes across as lovely but I still call b.s. I realize it may work in some conversations but from everything I have experianced and heard about, it usually doesn’t make a bit of difference. Even if you call someone’s actions racist the same defensiveness comes out and they resort to “but I’m not racist so I couldn’t possibly do anything racist.” Like it is mentioned in the video, regardless of the conversation you start, they will turn it into a conversation where they are the victiom b/c they are being accused of racism. The distinction is worth it for the few conversations it will cause to happen (though usually where the racism is overtly obvious and ingrained in our societal brains as offensive, but often even not then), but overall I think people will be just as protective and defensive of their actions as their actual character. Also, trying to focus on the action tends not to work b/c often the people who did the action are either unwilling to challenge their priveledge and recognize what was wrong with what they did, or they don’t care to begin with. So this may work wonders for more private discussions, but when things happen in wide-reaching public spheres, probably won’t matter worth a damn ’cause it is already pretty clear where the conversation is headed. People aren’t going to be crazy to recognize their racist actions b/c of what it really does say about them, and many times those opposing racism aren’t the best at keeping the conversation framed well.

  6. I have heard racist comments from my own family and I have called them out on them. My Mother always said, oh I knew black people in High School. Like that was all of a sudden going to make her un-racist. It’s like this just because you knew black or Asian or whatever people doesn’t mean that you are not racist or just made a racist comment. Other people are the same about LGBTQ some peeps would say whatever to another person who is gay and then say oh I know gay people. Throwing this I-know-someone-like-that card is not permitable. I hate when people do that.

  7. I had a conversation with a colleague not too long ago that went something like this. Said colleague has a 12 year old son (name changed) and the two of them went out for ice cream, so she’s relating this story to me.
    Kid: Mom, you always get vanilla ice cream. Why don’t you ever get chocolate? You’re racist!

    Mom: Jake, what a terrible thing to say! I’m not racist!
    Can you believe he called me a racist?

    Me: Well, I agree that calling you racist with respect to ice cream choices is not right/applicable/appropriate, but I think it’s important to move away from the idea that a person either is or is not racist. I mean, I can do mean or unkind things to someone, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m a terrible person. It means that I made a mistake and that I should apologize and make amends. The ‘oh my goodness, of course I’m not a racist!’ approach doesn’t get us very far when someone suggests that we did/said something racist.

    Crickets.

  8. “People simply respond better when you address their actions rather than judging their character. “

    In my own experience, people still get defensive when you call out there actions, but you’ll start to see a gradual changed in their behavior. There is no perfect system for calling out racism (or sexism or ableism or homophobia) — especially when someone’s actions have never been challenged before.

  9. I think this is a great elucidation, once again, of what was behind what the doctor said. It’s important to cast light on, and make everyone understand, the cultural subtexts that lead to such statements. That’s why it’s not trivial to talk about small moments, because they’re the tip of the iceberg. And I also think that it both is and is not about the doctor–I mean, the extent to which it is about the doctor, I think Evil Fizz can probably decide, but most important to me is what it says about the ideas floating around in our culture. The point is not need to either demonize or excuse that particular person, because it just about anyone in a culture that privileges whiteness, blondness, etc., could have said it, or something like it, if they hadn’t had their consciousness raised by discussions just like these. And that’s not good; it hurts lots of people. Getting bogged down in explaining away what that particular person consciously meant—i.e., whether or not she meant to glorify White Princessy skin—isn’t very helpful. Pondering where it comes from is.

  10. This works really well when people start off their racist comments with, “I know this sounds bad/racist/like I hate brown people, but…” Because then you can always turn their own words back on them and say, “Yeah, dude, that did sound racist. Knock it off.”

  11. I read an interesting essay, which really sums up this as personalist language ideology – something individualistic Western cultures are particularly prone to using. Intent of the statement disavows the racism, classism, what have you of the statement. As this article points out, the individual does not have to worry about the actual consequences of their statement, because their lack of malicious intent makes the statement invalid.

    The essay is in this book: http://www.continuumbooks.com/Books/detail.aspx?ReturnURL=/Series/default.aspx&CountryID=1&ImprintID=2&BookID=126447

  12. This video helps me so much when I have to call my parents and my hometown friends out on some of the stuff they say. “Maybe YOU are not a racist, but what you said sounded racist” is my standard line with one of my more…unenlightened friends. It’s not easy to change a person’s entire mindset, but it is easy to change a person’s language.

  13. When I’m in the middle of one of those discussions, I find it handy to remind them that everyone acts out of character at one point or another–smart people say and do stupid things, nice people almost always have done something mean at some point in their lives, and so on. So while doing something stupid/mean/racist doesn’t mean you are stupid/mean/racist, it also doesn’t make it okay–and if we don’t make an effort to identify and check our occasional bad actions, we might find that we’re turning into bad people.

  14. One of my favorite Jay Smooth vids, which is saying something, because he is just so freakin’ brilliant.

    This is the approach I use when I choose to provide this kind of feedback, but I don’t always make that choice. Feedback is an investment in the relationship. It’s often not safe to provide this particular feedback, no matter how behavior-oriented it is, and not all relationships are worth the investment.

    On the other hand, as a white woman (and a doctor) I also believe I have a responsibility to speak up when I hear racist comments from my colleagues, because whites need to do our own work. It’s hard to strike the balance, be an ally and take care of myself – and I do recognize that that’s nothing compared to the task POC have in our society, trying to take care of themselves and keep themselves safe when they are constantly assaulted by this kind of microaggression.

    I hate the kyriarchy.

  15. Is anyone familiar with Bonilla-Silva’s “Racism without Racists” because it speaks to this distinction quite a bit? If you define racism as institutionalized and systemic, then we must move away from the ideological definition of racism. Essentially, there is no dichotomy between racists and non-racists, but rather a racialized social structure that is perpetuated by our social doings. In that way, racism is built with our actions (conscious and subconscious); hence, everything that we do is creating racism and we are not going to get rid of racism by pointing our finger to the abjection.

  16. I don’t know. I think being racist is in our nature( after being conditioned). But you can’t tell someone that without them getting defensive. I think Jay smooth is saying that calling someone a racist rarely works. It shuts down the conversation. But that does not mean that we all aren’t a little bit racist.

  17. Kathy: “People simply respond better when you address their actions rather than judging their character. “In my own experience, people still get defensive when you call out there actions, but you’ll start to see a gradual changed in their behavior. There is no perfect system for calling out racism (or sexism or ableism or homophobia) — especially when someone’s actions have never been challenged before.  (Quote this comment?)

    I have to agree completley here. In my experiences being the “token black gay” friend to many an obliviously privlidged straight white guy I found myself being the “I cant believe you just said that, and I’m not going to let this slide” moral lecturer on race/ethnicity/orientation/sexism far too often. With many of these guys instead of looking within and checking into how certian thoughts and beliefs they harbored might be biased…it became more of a “I’ve learned what not to say arund this guy…so as not to be called out on it in public” behavior modification. A frustrating lesson for both student and accental spokesperson for their race/orientation/ethnicity sensei.

  18. With many of these guys instead of looking within and checking into how certian thoughts and beliefs they harbored might be biased…it became more of a “I’ve learned what not to say arund this guy…so as not to be called out on it in public” behavior modification. A frustrating lesson for both student and accental spokesperson for their race/orientation/ethnicity sensei.

    I would hope that eventually the fact that they don’t say it means that they think it less. One of the conservative arguments against the Civil Rights Act was that you couldn’t legislate changes in people’s beliefs. But what you can do is make them unacceptable to express those racist beliefs and over time, those sentiments become less common. It’s the same sort of thing to teach a child to apologize–being forced to say you’re sorry (even when you don’t believe it) eventually leads to actual feelings of remorse. Weird how the human mind works.

  19. I think this is a great vid that makes a great point BUT…. I have come across people pointing out their comments and they get angry saying, “It’s just a joke.” Even if I say it’s a racist joke, they will use this as a defense. You can’t get through someone’s mind when they keep insisting they aren’t making racist comments, because they think somehow there’s an excuse to make racist jokes.

  20. Maggie, I’m personally a fan of “I just don’t understand why you would say something so ridiculous, even in jest,” combined with a cool stare.

  21. “Maggie, I’m personally a fan of “I just don’t understand why you would say something so ridiculous, even in jest,” combined with a cool stare”

    Their answer of course being, ‘It was a jest because it was so ridiculous’

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