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Your virginity is a delicate flower, and if you give it away it will wilt and die.

Let me start by saying I LOVE all the comments that these posts have been getting, and thank you to everyone that has been sharing their stories so far.

Particularly, on my last post, Kim brought up an issue with the idea of virginity itself, and just why we make it so damn precious.

And honestly? I have to say I agree. I definitely fell into the “really? that’s it? category the first time I had sex, and I know a lot of women who felt the same. Although — I’ll wonder if it’s a gendered difference. I’d gander most women having heterosexual sex for the first time don’t orgasm, as opposed to men, whose orgasm will stand in as the official end of the act (if your experience was different, please share!).

Anyways, this next story illustrates for me both how much buildup we place on whether or not we had sex, and just what “counts” as losing your virginity.

    Okay. Well, my virginity story is kind of interesting. When I was 16, my boyfriend and I “tried” to have sex—meaning, things just weren’t fitting where they were supposed to fit. I was completely embarrassed. And that was also the day I gave my first blowjob. And then what happened? The boyfriend dumped me a few days later. I was crushed, obviously, and I was totally confused as to whether I was still a virgin, and finally decided I wasn’t. I gave my next couple of boyfriends blowjobs but steered clear of vaginal penetration because I wasn’t dying for a repeat of that first experience. And I continued to think of myself as a virgin. Then, my freshman year of college, I finally had vaginal intercourse with my boyfriend and decided I wasn’t a virgin anymore. Looking back on it, I kind of feel sorry for me. I wish I’d been a little (and by “a little,” I mean a lot) more educated in that department. Let’s just say it was another couple of years before I had an orgasm.
     

    I was about nine when I first learned about sex. My mother was vacuuming in the spare room, and I approached her and said, “What’s sex?” She turned off the vacuum cleaner and said, “It’s when the man puts his penis into the woman’s vagina.” And I mean, I was floored. “That’s gross,” I said. “Someday you won’t think it’s so gross,” she said, and turned the vacuum cleaner back on. It’s funny that I remember it so word for word, but I really do. And that kicked off a million conversations that I had with my mom over the next couple of weeks (or maybe months, I can’t really remember). It’s funny when I think about it now, because my mom was always answering my questions really specifically but not expanding on anything. So I learned that she and my stepfather did it, and that he had a vasectomy, stuff like that. I was totally curious about everything and I didn’t really understand that I couldn’t always be asking about sex in the car and out on errands and at the dinner table, and at one point my mother told me to stop bringing sex up in front of my stepfather because it was embarrassing him. So then I got totally embarrassed myself and the subject was pretty much dropped. And I know my mom did her best, but I’m going to go a different route with my daughter.

PS – As I mentioned in my first post — Planned Parenthood of New York City has some great guides on how to talk to your kids about sex, and is currently running a campaign to make sure all kids in NYC are taught accurate, age-appropriate sex education.


26 thoughts on Your virginity is a delicate flower, and if you give it away it will wilt and die.

  1. Hey erica,

    “as opposed to men, whose orgasm will stand in as the official end of the act (if your experience was different, please share!).

    I wasn’t able to come the first time I had sex, while she did (she said). She was older and more experienced than I was. The sex was great, so at first I felt great for being able to not come directly after penetrating her, but I was very disappointed and felt inadequte when I wasn’t able to come at all that day. But she helped me deal with it (and after a while masturbated me until i came). The next time I was much more relaxed and so was able to come… I’ve heard since from not just a few guys that not being able to come the first time is not that uncommon. In the beginning, we seem to come either too early or too late…

  2. I’m from such a different generation (old, white, cis) that all the responses have interested me greatly. But I do wish the phrase “lose one’s virginity” could be obliterated.

    On the one hand, it’s like the kittens who lost their mittens–where’s my virginity? It was here just a while ago.

    On the other hand–she’s lost her virginity; she’s lost her looks; she’s lost her mind. Something extremely precious has somehow disappeared.

    Once it was extremely precious–virgins always brought a higher price on the market.

    I think it was the singer Pearl Baily who said, “I didn’t lose my virginity; I gave it away.”

    It might be better for all concerned if we could think of it that way. Then people might make more considered choices whom they’re offering it to.

  3. Marvellously heartening contributions. Defining “sex” as “a woman being penetrated by a man” is indeed both limiting and misleading.

    Perhaps our parents’ generation were more enlightened in many ways. My mum (now in her 60s) told me that due to the fear of pregnancy, most girls saw penetration with a man as something to be avoided, but was keen to point out that “of course, we did everything *but*, and we were more than happy with that…”

  4. Jessica Valenti’s book “The Purity Myth” is a great examination of virginity and what it means, culturally and physically. She basically concludes that virginity doesn’t even exist; that it’s a complete cultural construct basically designed to keep women in line. Anyway, I’d highly recommend it — it’s much more academic than her previous books, but still a very accessible and interesting read. She gets pretty deep into a lot of the issues that you bring up here.

    And I also love this conversation. Thanks, Erica, for starting it.

  5. Thanks Jill! And I love the idea of removing the verb “to lose” from the virginity equation altogether (or really, just erasing the word virginity forever, imagine how different the world would be?). I love hearing everyone’s stories so much!

  6. I don’t know that it’s necessarily a gendered difference, or at least not a universal one. My early experiences with PiV sex were disappointing compared to the experimentation before then. So I tend to date my virginity moment a bit earlier because that’s when all the earth-shattering emotional stuff that I completely was unprepared for happened. And of course, being queer and occasionally kinky really pushes PiV sex out of the central place it’s assumed to have.

  7. I have taken to thinking that there were actually two dates at which I lost my virginity.

    The first date, the traditional date, was when, yes, vaginal penetration occurred with a penis. He came, I didn’t. In fact, I continued having the same sex with the same partner without experiencing an orgasm for about two years. I refer to it as virginal sex.

    The second date was with my next partner, with whom I *did* have an orgasm. And while the orgasm was indeed important, understanding sex as a mutually fulfilling interaction was something completely mind-blowing and new that it felt like an entirely different experience and decidedly non-virginal.

  8. “I’d gander most women having heterosexual sex for the first time don’t orgasm, as opposed to men, whose orgasm will stand in as the official end of the act.”

    Yeah, this idea that once the man comes sex is finished regardless of how unsatisfied the woman is has got to go, along with the idea (only rarely true) that a man should be able to make a woman come just by using his penis, without touching her clitoris with his hands. Those two ideas are responsible for a lot of unneeded frustration for women and humiliation and feelings of inadequacy for men.

  9. “I’d gander most women having heterosexual sex for the first time don’t orgasm, as opposed to men, whose orgasm will stand in as the official end of the act.”

    I find this interesting given my first time, which was with another woman. We both had orgasms, but continued going anyway. We were both having fun, so why stop? Orgasm was definitely not the endpoint for us. The endpoint was both of us getting tired and ready to stop, which is what the endpoint should be, I think.

  10. I’m really glad you’ve started this whole topic, Erica. It’s awesome to hear these stories, not to mention it makes me feel less ‘alone’ in what I thought was my own weirdness with giving away my virginity (I DO like that better!!) and the fact that I’ve only ever really had maybe two intense orgasms in my life. Slightly disappointing.

    I will always feel a little bit guilty when I laugh as I tell the story of the first time I had sex. I was 15, and my partner, of the same age, was pretty concerned because he didn’t want to hurt me. We’d done our fair share of exploration before The First Time, so I was prepared and I kind of understood what would happen. He looked at me and said “does that hurt?” My response: “Does what hurt?” Poor guy.

  11. “I’d gander most women having heterosexual sex for the first time don’t orgasm, as opposed to men, whose orgasm will stand in as the official end of the act (if your experience was different, please share!).”

    My first two times were, for a variety of reasons, very much not amazing. Neither of us really knew what we were doing, and he had some problems in the getting off department, so both times we stopped when we got frustrated. (I clicked with my next boyfriend much better, and started understanding why everyone says sex is so amazing.)

  12. I watch one of those “Ask…” websites, and seem to see a “Help! My boyfriend doesn’t orgasm when we have intercourse! What am I doing wrong?” on a weekly basis. Which suggests to me that PiV is hyped across the board.

  13. Thanks Erica! I really think that we can start to change the negative attitudes towards women if we change the way language is used. Our language is so loaded with meaning, that if we are really conscious about how we use particular words and work to eliminate certain common place phrases, we can change some of the social mindset.

  14. I think, if I’m reading your request right, that losing my virginity was such a big deal because it connoted almost a kind of rite of passage in a way. It was almost like moving from a boy to a man.

    When I read The Bell Jar for the first time I encountered this passage whereby the Esther Greenwood character talks about how it seemed to her like the world was divided into two groups: those who had lost it, and those who had not. And that was exactly how I felt and I knew I wanted to be in the group that had. Sadly enough, I felt worse about myself until I did have sex, even though it wasn’t exactly fantastic.

  15. I remember being totally down on myself in high school for not having sex. I’d talked (very briefly and vaguely) with my 4-month high school boyfriend about it, but we broke up first. I’m glad; I don’t think I was really ready for sex at 16, just convinced I was ready to be an adult about everything. Plus, then I would have this awesome thing (having sex) that would make me cool or something.

    I ended up not having any opportunities to have sex until college. I met this guy, we flirted and clicked pretty well, and a couple of months later hooked up (just kissing and some feeling up). And I decided, hey, I’m ready for more than this. I’m ready for some play that occurs below the belt. I’m ready to buy condoms from the store, and I’ve got plenty of privacy to do this at my own pace.

    So we did. He lost his erection halfway through, but I had brought myself to orgasm before we had sex, so even though it should have sucked, it was pretty good! (For me; he had a hard time feeling like he’d really had sex if he didn’t finish.)

    I’ve made a point since the end of my sophomore year of college to avoid using terminology relating to virginity or loss. I’m really no different now that I’ve had sex than before I had sex. I’ve only just experienced something new (and grossly overrated). I never had my hymen break, so that wasn’t a factor. But I didn’t lose anything or give something away. Sure, I’m giving something in a sense; I’m sharing an experience with another person. But clearly, I’m able to give that to my current boyfriend; my college boyfriend didn’t claim ownership of the privilege of having sex with me and prevent anyone else from also having the privilege.

    The only way that “losing virginity” or “giving it up” works is in the context of a woman’s purity as a commodity. And I operate outside of that context.

  16. Not sure where to put this to contribute so I’ll just drop it right here.

    I lost my virginity at the age of 20. I’d probably have done it sooner, but I was so deep in denial trying to convince myself I was a straight cis guy. So I came out to myself and realized I wasn’t a guy at all and that I did like guys and have experienced lots of distancing and rejection from my family telling me horrible, depressing, soul crushing things and making me feel alone and entirely rejecting and ignoring my identity.

    I was stupid. I was so depressed and wanting to just feel wanted for at least a little. So I went on craigslist and met some guy and let him fuck me. It wasn’t enjoyable in the slightest. It hurt. And when he was done he told me he’d call and he tossed me out. That was it. Less than two years ago.

  17. My first attempts at PiV sex were pretty lousy. Firstly, I felt shitty about myself because I was still a “virgin” in my late teens while all my friends had done lots of sexual stuff already, and I was more motivated to have sex just so people wouldn’t think I was a prude than out of any real desire. I’d make out and fool around with the guy, and when I felt somewhat aroused I’d suggest we’d have sex. Of course it didn’t work out well. I didn’t know my own body well at all and had no idea how aroused I really had to be to have sex comfortably. In most cases the guy wouldn’t be able to get his penis in at all, and if he could it was very painful. Since neither of us would come, I didn’t know whether to still consider myself a “virgin” or not, and this ambiguity made me very uncomfortable. I thought it was either you “had” it or you “lost” it! Even though I considered myself a feminist at the time, I thought there must be something wrong with me. It was only when I started reading sex ed websites like scarleteen.com that I learned that virginity isn’t REAL, and that its usual definition is sexist, heterocentric and harmful. Then I also had (and still have) a wonderful caring partner with whom I feel very comfortable exploring my sexuality. All this happened pretty recently, I am 20 now and want to be a sex educator of some sort so that other young people will have an easier time of it than I did.

  18. “I’d gander most women having heterosexual sex for the first time don’t orgasm, as opposed to men, whose orgasm will stand in as the official end of the act.”

    (cis straight woman here)

    I think I’ve been extremely lucky in this regard – my first boyfriend we spent lots of time fooling around (mostly groping and heavy petting) with emphasis on both of us having a good time. Of course when the big moment came (at age 16) he couldn’t stay hard and was so embarrassed that we stopped and broke up sometime after for unrelated reasons.

    My second boyfriend 2 years later was also keen on me enjoying myself as well, and since he was totally new to sexual relationships our first forays into sexual activity were him exploring how to excite me. When we finally got to PIV sex I told him that it was unlikely I would be able to orgasm with just PIV and he was like “Oh I know, I’ve been reading about that. Do you wanna touch yourself at the same time?” So on went the condom, there was some awkward maneuvering, and then we went at it. I actually came before he did, and then kept encouraging him until it was too dry to continue and we retired to the shower for an alternative method.

    Fortunately, when I think about the partners I’ve been with, all have been extremely enthusiastic about seeing me enjoy myself, rather than go straight to “dick in youuuuu!”

  19. I’ve actually orgasmed the majority of times I’ve had hetero sex, including my first, something I’ve felt grateful for once I realized that wasn’t typical for women. I’m just shaped in such a way that I get clitoral stimulation from PIV, though, oddly, I get better clitoral stimulation if I continue PIV after he’s orgasmed and starts to go soft. Because of this I’ve never thought of his orgasm as the ‘climax’ of PIV intercourse.

    My first time was actually pretty good and I really felt different afterward. I would have been really sad if it was just a “that’s it?” experience. 🙁

  20. @ Comrade Kevin — I completely agree that having sex for the first time is a right of passage. I think it is the language used to describe that right of passage and its implied meaning that is objectionable.

    Phira expressed it really well: “The only way that ‘losing virginity’ or ‘giving it up’ works is in the context of a woman’s purity as a commodity.” I would add that in some instances, though far more rare, men are taught to threat their virginity as a commodity too.

    So while having sex for the first time is a right of passage, its not about losing something, its not about virginity as a commodity that can be traded/protected/taken, but rather about a choice that each individual makes when they are ready (or thinks they are ready).

  21. I didn’t officially ‘lose my virginity’ until I was 23, nearly 24. I was a late bloomer. I was shy and awkward in my teens, didn’t date in high school, was irritated by every boy who expressed overt interest in me, and longed for the one boy who would never, ever actually make a move because he was longing for someone else and, also, extremely repressed guilty Christian. In college, the first boys to reciprocate my interest either strung me along after one awkward drunken makeout, never to call me again, or made a big deal about how we could never act on our mutual attraction/close friendship combo because he was going to Spain in four months. Oh noes. So along the way there were blowjobs, handjobs, makeouts, so-so oral sex for me, but nothing that ever lasted long enough for us get to penis-in-vagina. Once, it would have happened but I was on my period and didn’t want to risk grossing the dude out. Once, it would have happened, but HE didn’t want it. Once, he didn’t have a condom. And so on.

    Mind you, I did not actually feel like much of a virgin, even after only that scant handful (I could count them on one two hands, seriously) of sexual experiences. Sure, I felt inexperienced, and still not necessarily confident when someone handed me their throbbing erection to play with, but I didn’t feel like a virgin. At the same time, I felt like the label still applied to me, as a hetero-identified cis woman, that other people would see me as a virgin, that when they talked about their sex lives I had little to contribute, and that when I eventually had a partner who would stick with me long enough to stick it to me, I would still have to say, “I am a virgin” to cushion the inevitable awkward first time. Even though I had no hymen (I’m pretty sure I broke it by falling hard on a chair at the age of 8). Even though my fingers, men’s fingers, various objects, had been up there plenty of times, even though I’d been up close and personal with another person’s genitals more than once.

    At the same time, I was evolving from a rather timid, prudish background into someone who might actually consider having sex in a context that was not committed or relationship-y. Such that, by the time my 24th birthday was Just Around The Corner, I finally just decided to go for it with someone who had Done Me Wrong in the past, but who was making eyes at me again and was also nice enough and who I liked for other reasons, and who I would never actually trust with my feelings again. You might say, I used him. But we both knew I wasn’t in a position for a relationship (lived far away), and there wasn’t really any chance for miscommunication or misleading.

    And the thing is, it felt great. I mean, first of all, I got a P in my V, and actually, honestly? It was only so-so, but that’s pretty much what I expected about The First Time. I wasn’t in a position to compare him to other people, either, and I’m still not interested in doing so. It was A First Time, and it was fun, and we had a good time with the non-penetration parts, and even though I have definitely had better sex since then, I could still get a feel for why people get so attached to the P in V in the first place.

    Afterwards? The world was the same. I just felt like I had crossed off an extremely important task from my checklist of sexual milestones for hetero-identified cis women. I was relieved. “No longer an annoying technicality,” was my thought. I sent a text message to my best friends (who knew how insecure I felt) proudly proclaiming, “Deflowered!” And I went on to have a lot of really great sex, sometimes with penetration, sometimes completely without it with someone else I like a lot, with a whole lot more sexual milestones that have come to mean a lot more to me – first anal! first slap in the face! first “I love you” while writhing ecstatically under a Hitachi. The boy I “lost my V-card” with isn’t held above all other boys in some sort of warm fuzzy halo. He’s just a boy. A nice boy in whom I had no interest within about a month of that night. Shrug.

  22. I didn’t get around to losing my virginity till quite recently – and while I think the whole concept is a bit ridiculous, I do consider there to be a difference between me as a “virgin” and me as a “non-virgin.” I just don’t think the first time was all it took to make that difference. The past month or two of getting used to sex being part of my life and working out what sort of stuff works and all that have been a virginity-losing process – the first time was just half a minute of pain, followed by half a minute of pleasure, followed by an “um, sorry, I’m done” and a sheepish look, followed by me bleeding all over his bed (and my foot). I’m pretty sure him taking that last one in good humour (and I suppose me taking the one before that in good humour) contributed significantly to there being a less-awkward repeat performance.

    That said, I don’t think I’m done with the process. For one thing, I haven’t managed an orgasm during sex yet, and I feel like there’s one in there that’s always just out of reach. I started masturbating very early, long before I knew it was at all related to sex or anything involving other people. It was that ridiculous-looking bed-humping style, too, so I became accustomed to a kind of clitoral pressure that you don’t just not get much in penetrative sex, you don’t really get it with fingers or tongue, either*. However I hadn’t experimented much with penetration, so I have no idea what to aim for in that area. It feels so awesome though that I figure it MUST lead to a spectacular orgasm if we do it right! Down to more trial and error, I guess…

    *Ironically, I suspect that me wearing a strap-on would be the most similar sensation. That’ll probably have to wait till I get round to doing a girl, though.

  23. Maggie~ Your idea of a “virginity losing process” totally resonates with me. I feel the same way as far as “virgin me” and “non-virgin me” being quite different, but that it didn’t change as of the first PIV experience.

    Though I’d had a couple of boyfriends that I’d fooled around with a little, my first serious sexual experiences were with my first real long-term boyfriend in college. I have to say that after reading some of these stories, I feel pretty darn lucky to have had the experience I had. We were together for a few months, I think, before we had any PIV sex, though we’d fooled around a bit. He had only had one other female partner (whom I knew well, and which wasn’t awkward at all, actually, probably due to the nature of our group of friend), and one male partner (whom I also knew, but not as well). Anyway, it was all super consensual and supportive and non-pressured, probably because he’d had qualms about having sex for the first time, which he openly shared with me. So then, one day, it was the right time, and our fooling around wen to the next level. And it was good, not fabulous, but good – and really good for a first experience, I think. Then a few days later he went with me to Planned Parenthood to get on the pill, and get himself tested, just to be sure. And then a week or so later we had our first non-condomed sex, which was even better! And then we had lots more sex for the next year and a half or so, during which time I became ever more comfortable with my body and with sex in general. I can’t imagine how much more difficult the whole thing would have been for me if my first time had been with a one night stand or less serious relationship. I think I needed that supportive relationship as a sort of grounding in becoming a sexually active person, a grounding that then let me go on to have many different sexual experiences. So yeah, all that to say that I like the “process” idea, though maybe I’d call it a “becoming sexually active/comfortable process” or something, rather than a “virginity losing process.”

    And Erica, I want to say thanks for all these posts! It’s been really great reading everyone’s stories and thoughts on the whole thing. And it’s been really useful for me to kind of relive my early sexual experiences and reflect on how they have shaped my current attitudes and thoughts and insecurities.

  24. I guess the whole “virginity” thing was pretty much textbook for me. I am a cis woman who has only had sex with men, first time 4 and 1/2 years ago. I am 21 now. It was awkward, of course. We used a condom, and it hurt terribly right after he penetrated me. Then the pain went away, and it just felt weird because I had never had anything (not even a tampon) inside me before. After, I didn’t really feel too much one way or the other about it. That partner later went on to become abusive sexually, so I prefer not to dwell on him.

    At the time that I first had PIV sex, I thought of virginity pretty much the way a straight teenage girl would. Virginity=hymen. Now I know better, but at the time my mindset was very heteronormative and embarrassingly sexist for a lifelong feminist. Now, I think of first-time sexual experiences as … first-time sexual experiences, and I realize there are so many more than just PIV sex!

    I think he orgasmed the first, but I did not. And I really never have with a partner, and I am ok with that. In fact, I really don’t want to orgasm with a partner. I prefer to have sex purely for pleasure, not for orgasm. As far as the bit about “when he comes, it’d over” goes, I still go by that (although I don’t expect anyone else to). It is the easiest for me, since I don’t have a lot of stamina sexually, and so we either go until he orgasms, or until I get too sore, or either of us just wants to stop.

  25. I am 25 and haven’t really decided about where i fall on the whole ‘virgin/not a virgin’ scale (which is assuming such a thing as virginity, which…I’m not always sure how i feel about either).

    My first and only relationship was super-long distance, so in a confusing way, I think of myself as having had sex, but still being a virgin (contradictory much? proving that ‘virginity’ isn’t a real thing much?), because I’m the only one who’d actually touched me, which I’d been doing for years already. Sex was an altogether different mental and emotional experience than masturbation, but at the same time the total lack of actual physical interaction sends my mental framework into a tailspin. I’m not sure I’m pleased with this assessment, because it shows (me) that I’m more invested in the idea of ‘virginity’ than I thought. In general, my conceptualizations sex and virginity are not tied to PIV sex, but apparently virtual mediums aren’t the same as physical ones in my head.

  26. I’m late to the party here.

    I am going to add to the “not necessarily so great for men” camp.

    My first girlfriend (and the woman to whom I crossed the threshold of PIV sex with) told me once that most women have two first experiences. The first sexual experience/first PIV experience (something physical enough they classify it as such) and their first “oh, THAT’s why this is fun” one. Some are lucky enough to have them be one and the same.

    I think this sort of split isn’t limited to cis, het women. Certainly, after my first time with her (and really it was first real kiss all the way to first PIV), I was out for my regular Friday night hangout with the guys. As I was a late bloomer, they were checking up on me and when I admitted what had happened, they then went around the table telling their horror stories about their awkward and unappealing first times, presumably to make me feel ok that it wasn’t all the media insisted it was cracked up to be.

    Now, in my case, since I had told my partner about my inexperience, and since she was kind and funny and liked me, she took that into account and made it safe, fun, sexy and wonderful. I got *very* lucky.

    (I mean really: Seduced up to her apartment with an offer of Froot Loops. Supper cooked for me. A Mr. Potato Head filled with condoms that was the “Guardian of the Den of Iniquity” and we had to make a sacrifice to it to get a condom for the joy of safe sex. Let alone the act itself.)

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