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Don’t Play Games, Won’t Play Games

NEWSFLASH: When a person acts too smooth to be real, s/he probably ain’t bein’ real.

The Guardian reports on a new book, The Game, that teaches nerds how to pick up women by being manipulative and smarmy. The author, Neil Strauss, is lauded as the hero of “the secret society of pick-up artists” and a man who teaches the reluctant virgins among us how to be master PUAs themselves.

Take the key PUA tactic of ‘negging’, in which, tapping into female insecurity, you offer a woman a line that is both compliment and insult: ‘I like your skirt. I just saw another girl wearing the same one a moment ago.’

…The PUA alphabet turns out to be a dizzying cacophony of mind games, all designed to make a woman feel intimately connected to him, painstakingly mapping her psyche for manipulation.

Strauss reveals his interesting methodology: he read “The Second Sex” before writing this book, attempting to map women’s insecurities in order to turn empowerment against women to get them to spread like butter. Charming.

Emmy at Gendergeek tears this article apart, perfectly summing up my feelings on the matter:

reading this stuff makes me cringe because the stereotypes that surround sex and relationships are so tired. Specifically, the idea that men are on some continual quest (successful or otherwise) to have meaningless intercourse while women are perpetual engaged in husband baiting. For men, human sexual relationships are a ‘game’ which they can win if they outwit their opponents. Women, on the other hand, are required to follow the rules. In these kinds of characterisations, it’s men who have all the power; to seduce, to get what they want. A false dichotomy between male desire and female submission has always been a feature of our culture’s representation of sex.

I never played games and can’t imagine being dishonest with other people’s feelings just to get laid. I’ve seen friends and acquaintances play these games and get burned and humiliated in the process — what manipulation like this reveals is a startling amount of insecurity. If you don’t feel good enough to meet people with your own merit, you manipulate them into liking a facade, a sad interpretation of what you wish you were.

The best pick up line? Shake my hand. “Hi, my name is…” Treat me like a human being. Avoid seeing women as conquests and men as competition. I’ll take a directionless, listless lad over a smarmy womanizer anyday.

I find it telling that Neil eventually fell for and married a woman who wouldn’t submit to his manipulations. Reportedly, his tactics and his old buddies only annoy her.

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38 thoughts on Don’t Play Games, Won’t Play Games

  1. Am I the only one suspicious of the “porn star pulling me into the bathroom because she HAD to have me” type stories? Seems like another guy bullshitting about his sex life.

  2. Alice – no, you’re not the only one.

    The article made me laugh and wince. Laugh at the self-esteem issues displayed by the men (and just for the avoidance of doubt, I wouldn’t normally laugh at people’s insecurities; it’s when they use those insecurities as an excuse to manipulate and deceive others that they become fair game for mocking); laugh at their laboriously constructed apparatuses of self-aggrandisement (and the speed with which those constructions come crashing down when they meet a woman they actually care about); wince at the knowledge that there are still a lot of women out there who are in turn insecure enough, and dependent enough on male approval, to be suckered by their tactics. (Not forgetting those women who find it a worthwhile career move to nurture a guy’s ego by pretending to be suckered by his tactics…)

  3. Take the key PUA tactic of ‘negging’, in which, tapping into female insecurity, you offer a woman a line that is both compliment and insult: ‘I like your skirt. I just saw another girl wearing the same one a moment ago.’

    That line would lead me to think he was channeling Jack from Will & Grace.

  4. Now there’s a romance self-help manual I wanna see: “Lower her defenses through catty flamer stereotypes!”

    …Or that he’s just a really mean-spirited gay man, period. Or an unbelievably clueless straight man. In which case, why would any girl want to date him?

  5. Wait! I don’t get it! (Oh man I feel braindead right now.) What’s the insult? That someone else has the same skirt?

  6. ‘I like your skirt. I just saw another girl wearing the same one a moment ago.’

    What? Does that sort of thing work?

    Lauren, “Hi, my name is…” doesn’t work. Take it from someone who has never dated.

  7. Ahem, the first paragraph/sentence doesn’t express my thoughts properly. It should read:

    “What the…? Is that supposed to work? I don’t get it.”

  8. Wait! I don’t get it! (Oh man I feel braindead right now.) What’s the insult? That someone else has the same skirt?

    I guess so. But most people have the similar clothes to me, because I don’t wear trendy things. So I’d ask him where she was, find her, commend her impeccable taste, and bond with her, leaving his sorry top-hatted, pirate-shirted ass in the dust.

  9. Lauren, “Hi, my name is…” doesn’t work. Take it from someone who has never dated.

    Oh, it works. Especially if it’s paired with a goofy, bashful, you’re-so-cute-I’m-totally-gonna-make-a-fool-of-myself smile and an offer to buy me a drink.

  10. ‘I like your skirt. I just saw another girl wearing the same one a moment ago.’

    Yes, AB, it’s an insult. We all want to be the only girl wearing the mass-marketed, mass-produced skirt we just bought at the GAP. It’s like showing up to a party in the same dress as someone else — total humiliation, according to Cosmo.

  11. Oh boy. I’ve got a post for next week about Neil… and about manipulation/insecurity. Lauren, I’m with you that, as you say,

    “If you don’t feel good enough to meet people with your own merit, you manipulate them into liking a facade, a sad interpretation of what you wish you were.”

    But so many men do feel that way about themselves. If the men’s movement doesn’t work to reach these guys, the slick Neils will have the field to themselves. Sigh. I feel challenged just thinking about it.

  12. Oh, it works. Especially if it’s paired with a goofy, bashful, you’re-so-cute-I’m-totally-gonna-make-a-fool-of-myself smile and an offer to buy me a drink.

    Oh, so I gotta be sexy too. Your entire gender is so focused just on how we look (Gah, I cannot for the life of me remember that one word that would have shortened the last 6 or so words of that sentence.). Pfft. 😛

    And I must buy your affections with alcohol, too. Is there any low to which I should not stoop to get a girl? 😛

    Meant in good humor, of course.

  13. By the time we make real money, if we’re not total shits or emotional cripples, we’ve already bonded with someone who has patted our heads, nursed us through the all-nighters, calmed our freakouts and given us the sea legs to get here.

    (Thank you, wife.)

  14. The whole thing is ridiculous and insulting, of course, just like “the Rules” was a few years ago.

    For a while, every woman on my campus was reading it, and I suddenly didn’t get returned phone calls. It had the wrong effect, though, because my self-esteem was low enough that I just assumed I was being told to go away in no uncertain terms.

    The point is, both men and women resort to playing games and not being themselves. In this case, unfortunately, it appears to be bordering on predatory.

  15. See also, How can I become cool? Please do not follow most of the offered advice.

    This one’s okay, though:

    Make a record with Ben Folds.
    posted by kindall at 2:41 PM PST on October 22

  16. I’ll be honest–it would hurt my feelings to wear the same skirt as someone else, but mostly because if I bother to wear a skirt, it’s an unusual one. That said, I have had more men than I could count use the “assholes get the bitches” routine of flatter-insult-flatter, and while I have been sucked into the flirting, I have never, ever, EVER fucked one of them.

    My now-ex approached me sheepishly, bought me a beer, made polite conversations, earnestly said he wanted to get to know me and asked for my number. I was bowled over. It was totally charming to have my company sought out like it was something worth having. If you want someone’s company, ask for it. If you hate her for being female but want her cunt very badly, you’ll broadcast that, whether you want to or not.

  17. Really, I want a guy that is up front about his shit as well as his acomplishments. I’m so up front about mine that it’s amazing to me that the dudes don’t go running. It all comes down to having more pros than cons to your mate, and, truthfully, being friends.

    Partnership, not conquest.

  18. Really, I want a guy that is up front about his shit as well as his acomplishments.

    “Well, I’m really more of a socially awkward nerd.” Like THAT is going to score points.

    GAH! I HAD THE WORD I MISSED LIKE TEN MINUTES AGO…

    Oh, yeah, superficial!

  19. I’m so up front about mine that it’s amazing to me that the dudes don’t go running.

    Guys are taught to put up with all sorts of irritating shit in order to get some sack time. Gals, more the opposite these days, hence the conundrum.

    It all comes down to having more pros than cons to your mate

    That’s a pretty tall order, and rarely filled.

  20. OHNOES: Girls like me really like the nerds and geeks. They have so much more to offer, in my opinion, than the usual riffraff.

    You should try dating a feminist. 😛

  21. OHNOES: Girls like me really like the nerds and geeks. They have so much more to offer, in my opinion, than the usual riffraff.

    You should try dating a feminist. 😛

    That is possible, though I remain suspicious. I also lack the sexiness and the monies required to pick up even a feminist.

    One of my friends is a feminist (Or at least I think she thinks she is. I dunno.) and, though she is spoken for, I don’t think my nerdiness attracts her.

    Guys are taught to put up with all sorts of irritating shit in order to get some sack time.

    He’s quite correct. My roommate’s girlfriend spit gum in his drink, threw the Papa John’s pizza peppers in the sink rather than the trash (I’m the Felix of the household, so that irks me more than him.), and took pepperonis off the untaken slices of pizza all in the same meal. See, pulling that stuff with ME would make you NOT MY GIRLFRIEND ANYMORE. 😛 But him? Nooooooo….

  22. I dated exactly one guy who pulled the asshole routine, when I was 17 years old and too naive to know better. That guy did me a huge favor by causing me never to date assholes again. All (okay, all two) of my subsequent romantic interests have been geeky feminists. I approached one; the other approached me by asking an intelligent question about the book I was reading (not so far from, “Hi, my name is…” and very much teh hot). The first is now my closest platonic friend, and the second is now my husband, so I’d say both relationships worked out just peachy.

    Ohnoes: I hope you don’t think “attracting women” is the same as “attracting conventionally beautiful, popular, mainstream women”. Because I know a lot of clueless male geeks who keep passing over brilliant and gorgeous girls just because said girls don’t match their lofty expectations, and then go complaining that they can’t attract any members of the opposite sex. It’s unutterably unsexy.

    Piny: Quit making me drool. Now my keyboard is all drooly. Gross.

  23. One of my friends is a feminist (Or at least I think she thinks she is. I dunno.) and, though she is spoken for, I don’t think my nerdiness attracts her.

    I suspect it’s less your nerdiness and more your assumption that feminists are a weird subspecies of female to be sought out with money and smoove looks. That kind of attitude is like a fetid stench.

  24. Ok, you ladies have given SO much hope.

    I go for the brilliant and gorgeous girls who get passed over cause the guys around them are too busy checking out the bleached and plucked “hotties” dolled up for the club. The ranks of my closest friends are full of them, mostly because I’m good at meeting girls like that, and getting to know them. I haven’t dated any of them, but that’s fine, friends are more important than scoring.

    But now that I know that there are some of you out there that respond to the “teehee, I’m all shy and shit” style (which in my case is NOT a put-on) and nerdy conversation, I’ll be less shy about (terrified of?) chatting up the unconventionally foxy smart girls.

  25. Because I know a lot of clueless male geeks who keep passing over brilliant and gorgeous girls just because said girls don’t match their lofty expectations, and then go complaining that they can’t attract any members of the opposite sex.

    Certainly not.

    I suspect it’s less your nerdiness and more your assumption that feminists are a weird subspecies of female to be sought out with money and smoove looks. That kind of attitude is like a fetid stench.

    Oh, it works. Especially if it’s paired with a goofy, bashful, you’re-so-cute-I’m-totally-gonna-make-a-fool-of-myself smile and an offer to buy me a drink.

    No, not at all. We’re focused on how much money you make.

    (kidding).

    QED

  26. What can I say, OHNOES? Deciding that it’s all women’s fault that you can’t get dates is not the kind of things that makes the chicks swoon.

  27. I’m not entirely sure I understand what favoring the polite introduction plus offer to buy a drink is supposed to demonstrate. Does that constitute “money”? Are beers really expensive where you come from?

    I was half-kidding, in any case. I don’t think less of people who don’t do the drink thing; where I come from, it’s just something you sometimes do when you’re picking people up. Then the object of attraction picks up the next round. It’s not some kind of Rules-related bullshit.

    And you’re misreading the, “You’re-so-cute-I’m-totally-gonna-make-a-fool-of-myself” bit. That’s the smile you’re supposed to be wearing when you hit on cute little me: sweet ‘n’ bashful is definitely hotter than conceited and entitled.

  28. I’ll be less shy about (terrified of?) chatting up the unconventionally foxy smart girls.

    What’s the worst thing they’re going to do? Wander off? That’s nothing that requires medical attention.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those just-friends girls are interested in more than friendship, but are relying on the good old Telepathy Method of communicating their interest to you.

  29. Mythago: Yeah, I wouldn’t either. The problem is, I’m using the Telepathy Method, too.

    You’re right, though. I’m an optimist, and a big proponent (and practitioner) of “what’s the worse that could happen?”-ism. I apply it to most things in life — except with the ladies. But I’m in a new town, so I haven’t made just-friends with all the eligible gorgeous and brilliant feminists yet. Thanks for the encouragement.

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