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One Nation Under God

This afternoon when I picked Ethan up from school, his teacher turned from a conversation she was having with another mother, pulled me aside and asked a question. “Did you tell Ethan not to say the pledge?”

“I told him it was his choice,” I said. “Why?”

“Well, it doesn’t matter to me if he says the pledge or not, but he has to be respectful when the other kids do.”

“I spoke to him about that. How was he disrespectful?”

“He had his arms crossed.”

“Did he do anything else?” I asked. The other mom looked at me warily.

“No.”

I hesitated for a moment. “Clearly our versions of ‘respect’ are different, but I’ll speak to Ethan about that.”

Last week when Ethan started kindergarten, I was concerned about a great number of things, one of which was him knowing that no matter what any authority or law says, his rights do not stop at the school doors. When a friend reminded me that all Indiana children in public schools have to stand and recite the pledge every day at school to an American flag whose presence is mandated in every classroom, I made a point of discussing this with Ethan, simply to let him know that he had a choice of whether or not to stand with his classmates and make a pledge he certainly doesn’t understand.

I explained it as simply as possible without even touching on the religious complaints against the pledge. Our country is at war overseas, I told him, and some people with a lot of power believe that saying the pledge will make us love our country more and support the war. But, I told him, I think it’s silly to think that a pledge will make us love our country when there are plenty of other things to be grateful for, and just so you know, Mama doesn’t support the war. You can say the pledge if you want to, but it is your choice. No one can make you say it and no one can make you not say it.

I don’t care about “under God.” I care that my child is being asked to conform to an ideal he knows nothing about.

Ethan asked further about the war and I explained as best as I could, reminding him of all the stories Mama watches on the news. It’s a huge concept for a child to wrap his mind around. I answered his questions as best as I could at his level and reassured him that he could decide at any point to say or not say the pledge, and then could change his mind if he wanted to. This is precisely the point about religion that I have pressed on him over time: his choice. In this case the Pledge of Allegiance feels too much like a prayer of political indoctrination “encouraged” by lawmakers for me to feel comfortable to let it go. And finally, I told him that if anyone gives him any crap to refer them to me. I’d handle it.

I was miffed by the teacher, who is by all accounts a wonderful educator (and Ph.D.), but had to take into account all sides. No matter her views, her views are disregarded and part of her state-mandated curriculum is to teach children how to say the pledge and to make time for it every morning. Further, my views and Ethan’s choice could concern other children and parents. On the way out of school I asked Ethan about it. What did she say?

“She said I have to be respectful.”

“How?”

“She said I can’t cross my arms.”

“Well, next time why don’t you just put your hands in your pockets and stand with the rest of the kids if you don’t want to say the pledge.”

“I can’t. She said I have to stand like this.” Ethan put his arms stiffly at his sides and stood, to my dismay, like a little soldier. Perhaps I was reading into things. I reassured him that it was okay, it is his choice. My five-year-old son is no soldier, too young to be a patriot.


46 thoughts on One Nation Under God

  1. I was always the kid in the classroom who never stood for the pledge. I hated monotony, I thought it was boring- even before I knew anything about politics. If I was forced to stand, or if I did, I woudl pledge allegiance to a different country every day. ” I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.” I hate monotony- and I hate people who promote it. Ugh.

  2. Sounds like Teacher needs a little whack with the cluestick.

    When a friend reminded me that all Indiana children in public schools have to stand and recite the pledge every day at school to an American flag whose presence is mandated in every classroom

    Your friend is incorrect. No student in an American public school can be required to recite the pledge. I’m sure the Indiana schools may be telling them otherwise.

  3. Mythago: You’re right. They don’t have to do anything. But the schools don’t tell the kids that. I wanted Ethan to know that he has a choice. He’s a bit young for all of this explanation, and especially fascinated by the idea of war, but I’m proud of him for his willingness to assert himself.

  4. I tell ya, with all the things the state legislator should be doing… they choose to pass this law. First making every classroom have a standard size Flag is kinda silly (after all, soo many had to replace the flags they had to comply with the law,) the pledge, and the moment of silence? That is the one that really kills me… where you can or cannot say a prayer, or sleep, or just sit there wondering where all the freedoms went to in the country. And stand up straight while you are conforming… I love and hate this state. 😀

  5. I started refusing to say the pledge when I was in highschool ,and it almost got me suspended. When I got sent to the principal’s office (after my photo class teachers attempts at bullying and harassment failed) I reminded him of my rights an an American. I was informed that highschool kids don’t have civil rights as long as they are in highschool. When I told my mom that, she was livid, ready to march right down to the school or file a lawsuit. But instead the photo teacher,the principal and I worked out a “compromise” that involved me having to stand up during the pledge (I had been refusing to stand up and would just sit there are my desk).

    Yeah, schools will flat out lie to you.

  6. I want to be the kind of mom you are. All the 5 year old girls in the world should be feeling pretty lucky right now, because one day E is going to be quite the catch, thanks to you 😉

    I was never a big fan of the pledge, and I think in high school I got too lazy to say it, but I would stand. I always felt caught off guard if I was walking down the hall when the pledge came on the speaker system, because I never knew what to do. Are you supposed to stop dead in your tracks and wait? That feels pretty goofy.

  7. It seems if the kid is forced to stand while the pledge is being said, he is not really opting out. The standing to me is what it is all about. When I was a kid (in rural Oregon) it was not really questioned by anyone but we did not have it in high school, only the lower grades. Here in Egypt the kids have morning assemblies where they usually have to sing the national anthem to the flag. They do NOT have a choice on this.

  8. Cool post. THANK YOU for not raising yet another obedient automaton. We have got way too many of those already.

    If I could teach every kid one thing, it would be: don’t obey authority.

  9. This is the kind of thing that would drive me to eye-bulging, vein-popping fits of anger.

    But a big thumbs up for Ethan. He’s got more going on up stairs at five than a lot of adults do.

  10. BTW: I hope my kid has as much sense as Ethan when she hits kindergarten. I never did have enough of a clue as a kid to refuse the pledge, although I did start critiquing it by 4th grade or so. I’m glad E is smarter and/or less indoctrinated than I was at that age.

  11. If push comes to shove, you could teach him one of Matt Groening’s old alterna-pledges:

    “I pledge allegiance to Frank Zappa
    of the United Mutations of America
    And to the Duke of Prunes
    and Grand Wazoo for which he stands
    One size fits all, excentrifugal
    With yellow sharks and hot rats for all.”

    Then he could sing a few bars of “Willie the Pimp” for an encore.

  12. Lauren, I think the way you’ve presented this to Ethan is fantastic–that wasn’t meant as a criticism, just noting that your friend is flat-out wrong. I do think it would probably be a good idea to (out of Ethan’s earshot) have a Little Chat with his teacher.

  13. Maybe it’s just where I went to school, but I stopped saying the Pledge sometime during elementary school because the teachers stopped leading it. I don’t remember in which grade, but I do know I never said it once I reached junior high.

  14. “She said I have to stand like this.” How surreal.

    Where does it written he has to stand at all, still less in a certain manner?

    Teachers and admins need to be spanked by parents from time to time, to remind them that the classroom is not an unlimited monarchy.

  15. I looked up the law and found this fantastic quote in an article:

    The two may have taken their cue from Larry Wolfe, principal of Argos Junior-Senior High School. A U.S. Army veteran, Wolfe led the Pledge of Allegiance at a school convocation. He estimated that 85 percent of the students there participated.

    “I told them that there were people overseas defending us,” he said, “which gives them the freedom to say the pledge, or not say it.”

    The law was effective on July 1st this year. All classrooms must have a standard American flag and must offer the pledge as well as a moment of silence.

    Mythago, my friend wasn’t wrong, it’s my poor wording. I’m so pissed about this stupid law that it’s all I can do not to charge that they’re essentially forcing these kids to say the pledge without telling them there are other options. Because without telling the kids they don’t have to say it, they don’t know. Kindergarten! They’re just stoked to be there. The propaganda comes free.

  16. Oh, and I love this quote from the same article:

    Sen. Mike Young, R-Indianapolis, was a sponsor of the bill. Young told a reporter that he felt students should start their day thinking about the United States and victims of terrorism, as well as family, friends and people serving the country.

  17. You have a smart kid. I am a veteran who does not like saying the pledge and I respect people’s right to get pissed off and burn the flag. If we begin to force our children to recite things like good little patriots we run the risk of forcing our kids into a facsist/communist like ideaology, where ther state/government is always right and each citizen/comrade should give their unwavering support

  18. It makes me sick to my stomach that your kid has to suffer through someone’s abstract bullshit. “too young to be a patriot” is like a punch to the gut – he’s a person (who’s obviously going to turn out pretty cool) and shouldn’t be some neocon’s lab rat.

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  20. Lauren,

    However this resolves itself, it seems like Ethan is getting a good education about some tricky issues, even if he’s too young to really understand it right now. This stuff sticks.

    You seem like such an awesome mom, and Ethan seems like such an awesome kid.

  21. I never got this about America.

    I’ve gone to school in both New Zealand and in the Netherlands, and we never had school prayer or pledged to the flag (the major discussion about the flag in NZ was whether or not to keep the union jack in the top left hand corner … personally I want to keep it, as it recognises the queen of england as our head of state, but that’s just my opinion).

    I mean, doesn’t it defeat the entire purpose of patriotism to be forced into it?

    Another thing to add to the ‘WTF?’ column on living experiences in America.

  22. I consider it a singular honor to be able to pledge my allegiance to the concept that flag represents to me. I am not pledging allegiance to a government with whom I often disagree, but rather to the country, the people, the bright and shining ideals it represents.

    I would rather the “under god” wasn’t in the pledge. It means nothing to me, but if it comforts someone……..what the hell.

    Should anyone be forced to say the pledge? Absolutely not. It would render the pledge meaningless. I am, however, uncomfortable when someone doesn’t honor the flag. I am also uncomfortable when someone doesn’t take off their hat when the flag passes by or doesn’t stand during the appropriate patriotic utternances.

    If I happen to be in a gathering where they stand and pray, I stand also. It shows respect for those that believe. I don’t bow my head. I don’t pray. But showing respect is a good thing in my world.

    At what age do you teach patriotism? I don’t think it is something that can be taught. I can show someone why I love this country so, but I can’t make them love it.

    Teaching a child to think for themself is also a good thing. Programming a child isn’t a good thing.

  23. My daughter (now in college) insisted on leaving the room for the pledge, so that she was neither disrespectful nor subjected to the mantra. This is the same girl who called PETA and started a fairly sizable local battle in middle school when they were going to make dissecting a frog one of the requirements for a good science grade.

    My son (in fourth grade as of yesterday) and stands for the pledge, but doesn’t want me to tell his dad he’s not saying it.

  24. Hi Lauren,

    The U.S. Supreme Court handled this one in 1943 (West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, you can read it here: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=319&invol=624)

    Here are two paragraphs that are near the end of the opinion:

    The case is made difficult not because the principles of its decision are obscure but because the flag involved is our own. Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.

    If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.

    You might consider giving a copy to Ethan’s teacher.

    Warm regrads,
    Ann

  25. Lauren, you rock. Ethan is a v. lucky little boy, and your honesty and integrity will carry him much further than a little confusion re: “school rules” here and there. Did I mention you rock?

  26. “I told them that there were people overseas defending us,” he said, “which gives them the freedom to say the pledge, or not say it.”

    I completely don’t get this thinking, like if the troops left Iraq (I quess he’s talking about Iraq) then suddenly high school kids in the US would lose the choice to say the pledge or not. I don’t get the connection at all.

  27. In every school I went to, the pledge was more likely to undermine respect than instill it. Mindless recitation and not being old enough to grasp the word “indivisible” seemed to bring out the class clown in everyone (though more often after the official recitation than during it.) We didn’t have teachers making five-year-olds stand at attention like little soldiers, though.

  28. “I’m glad E is smarter and/or less indoctrinated than I was at that age.”

    Smarter maybe, but his indoctrination is merely a different variety. Rote refusal to say the Pledge is no more autonomous than rote recitiation of the Pledge.

  29. David,

    Unlike the teacher, she told him he had a *choice* and that it was entirely up to him whether to say it or not. Note that she did *not* tell him that no matter what he had to refuse the pledge. I don’t call that “indoctrination”. I call that “freedom”.

  30. “Unlike the teacher, she told him he had a *choice* and that it was entirely up to him whether to say it or not.”

    No, she didn’t. She didn’t ask for a parenting critique, so this is as far as I’m taking that matter.

  31. Rote refusal to say the Pledge is no more autonomous than rote recitiation of the Pledge.

    He’s five. I doubt there’s a five-year-old in the world who can understand the Pledge, much less analyze the issues that determine whether one wants to say it. You think a five-year-old has a sophisticated theory of allegiance? Knows whether “the republic for which it stands” is the current government or the hypothetical republic that would live up to America’s values? Could define “indivisible,” or for that matter “liberty” or “justice”?

    I’m sure that Ethan took from his talk with Lauren that she wasn’t fond of the Pledge. And then he got to decide whether he wanted to follow his mother’s lead or do what everyone else was doing. That was his choice, and it’s one he could understand. I don’t think he’s at a developmental place where he can make a choice about whether he wants to pledge allegiance to the flag or the republic. And it kind of bothers me that public schools ask kids to make solemn declarations that they can’t understand.

  32. I made a point of discussing this with Ethan, simply to let him know that he had a choice of whether or not to stand with his classmates and make a pledge he certainly doesn’t understand.

    I explained it as simply as possible without even touching on the religious complaints against the pledge. Our country is at war overseas, I told him, and some people with a lot of power believe that saying the pledge will make us love our country more and support the war. But, I told him, I think it’s silly to think that a pledge will make us love our country when there are plenty of other things to be grateful for, and just so you know, Mama doesn’t support the war. You can say the pledge if you want to, but it is your choice. No one can make you say it and no one can make you not say it.

    Yes, she did.

  33. Ann and Lauren, when I went to law school, my Contracts professor was also a constitutional scholar. He said that the gutsiest decision that the Supremes ever made was Barnette, because of the back story. You see, in Minersville v. Gobitis, just three years earlier, they had gone the other way. With a war around the corner, they endorsed enforced loyalty oaths. When our soldiers and sailors were actually fighting and dying, they reversed themselves and did the right thing.

    Also, if anyone ever tells you that kids lose their right to political speech at the schoolhouse door, the answer is Tinker v. Des Moines — the Court ruled in 1969 (if memory serves) that kids had a right to wear black armbands to protest that awful war.

  34. I’ve gone to school in both New Zealand and in the Netherlands, and we never had school prayer or pledged to the flag (the major discussion about the flag in NZ was whether or not to keep the union jack in the top left hand corner … personally I want to keep it, as it recognises the queen of england as our head of state, but that’s just my opinion).

    Problem is, the Queen of England isn’t our head of state. The Queen of New Zealand is, and she just happens to also be the same person as the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Ain’t nothing to stop us from booting her out and installing Kiri te Kanawa in her place, as witness English history.

    Myself, I’d prefer this. At least it’s distinctive.

  35. When I was in 9th grade, I gave a great deal of thought to saying the pledge. I was uncomfortable pledging my allegiance to a flag and I had other issues with the pledge, so I simply didn’t say it. My homeroom teacher got very upset with me and insisted that I had to say it. I decided it wasn’t worth the battle, so I said a modified pledge: I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, one nation, with liberty and justice. I lived in Philly in the late 1970’s. There was surely NOT liberty and justice for all – at least not equally, and I was not going to pretend like there was. The teacher just saw me standing and mouthing words and it was enough for her.

    I, too, have talked to my sons about the pledge, about the Weekly Readers they bring home that talk about the president, about war and religion and death and dreams and growing up. It’s what you do as a parent, and if you’re a good one, you give them information and ways to find information (when they’re a bit older) and you discuss with them what they’ve found out. Then you let them come to their own conclusions. Good for you for giving Ethan the chance to make his own decision. The teacher should respect that, too.

  36. Poor Ethan. Tell him when the same thing happened to my daughter in 10th grade, here’s what she said instead of the pledge:

    I pledge allegiance
    To the bag
    With the smiley face from WalMart
    And to the corporation
    For which it stands
    With cheap jeans
    And shampoo
    For all.

  37. Good for him. I remember in elementary school just not saying key phrases that I didn’t feel were true or applied to me.

    As a middle-school teacher last year with a 1st hour class (no homeroom), I would always stand and give attention to the flag but I wouldn’t say the pledge. About half of the class didn’t say it either, but I had to lecture a few times throughout the year about being respectful to the people who wanted to say the pledge. I always made it clear that it was a choice to say or not say the pledge but that respect was a given in the classroom regardless of choices. I didn’t make the non-speakers stand, but they had to sit quietly for those 15 seconds.

    I realize Ethan is only in kindergarten, but she is still wrong. The fact that he’s even standing (although I’m not sure if that’s of his own volition or per her request) shows maturity beyond his years. Good for you for educating him that he HAS a choice. I mean, seriously, what kindergartener really understands what allegiance or a republic or indivisible MEANS? (Cue that scene from Kindergarten Cop.) That’s the travesty right there.

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