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Supporting Marriage Equality Is Like Being a Nazi

At least that’s the line coming from an anti-gay group in California that’s encouraging county clerks to refuse to issue marriage certificates to same-sex couples:

Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order.

I have this running theory that most conservative actually have no idea what the Nuremberg trials were — they usually invoke Nuremberg when talking about how they’re going to prosecute abortion providers for murder, leading me to believe that they think “Nuremberg” just means “really really serious trial that had something to do with Nazis.” This just bolsters my theory.


14 thoughts on Supporting Marriage Equality Is Like Being a Nazi

  1. I have this running theory that most conservative actually have no idea what the Nuremberg trials were — they usually invoke Nuremberg when talking about how they’re going to prosecute abortion providers for murder, leading me to believe that they think “Nuremberg” just means “really really serious trial that had something to do with Nazis.” This just bolsters my theory.

    Their argument reminded me of a few high school Genocide Studies class discussions on the question: At what point should one’s duty to follow society’s authority figures, laws, and social pressures when doing so violates our own sense of morality, ethics, and justice?

    This group, however, is perverting a serious concern we all should be thinking about and reduces it to absurd irrelevancies.

  2. Yes, the homophobes just Godwinned the CA supreme court ruling.

    Frankly, I’m kinda surprised it took this long.

  3. Wait, how do you compare people getting married to murdering people? Is there supposed some kind of human sacrifice at the wedding reception? And does it happen before or after the cake-cutting? I’m pretty sure Martha Stewart hasn’t made a pronouncement about this tradition.

  4. Seems the savecalifornia site changed, so it now just gives it as an example that not following unjust order is good.
    Of course, the equivalence factor is there. I mean, not accepting slavery and helping genocide = marrying gay people.

  5. Maybe someone should do a “What did Neville Chamberlain do?” Mark 2 the next time one of these bozos brings it up on tv.

  6. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised but now issuing a marriage certificate is the same as MURDERING PEOPLE? It’s too early in the morning for this.

  7. Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they?

    I’d be willing to bet that any county clerk who won’t issue marriage license to gay people do so because of the clerk’s religious beliefs would have gladly gassed a bunch of “christ-killers” (heck, some of them would have volunteered to do that as well as gas gays and other folks who don’t fit their ideal of a good christian)

  8. I have to agree with ol cranky. Given half a chance a lot of these people would gladly gas anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs. They try to compare things to the Nazis to cover up their own admiration and infatuation with Hitlers Nazis. They just want to be like him and his followers.

    I think your right, Jill. From what I know most americans don’t even know what Nuremburg is let alone what actually happened there. Someone just screams Nazi and they all eat it up like candy.

  9. Question: how many of you have actually ever spoken with a conservative face to face? Yup, didn’t think so. Amazingly, some conservatives actually took 10th grade history and do know what the Nuremburg trials are.

    Furthermore, comparing Nazi-ism (based on eugenics) to abortion (accomplishes the aims of eugenics – black fetuses are aborted at far higher rates than white fetuses, abortion has greatly reduced the black population in the U.S.) is not such a stretch. Both are ideologies based on the idea that we can define for ourselves who counts as a human, whether it be on ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. as it was for the nazis or age and developmental level as it is for pro-choicers. The same ideology led to the enslavement of Africans. If we can define a certain group of people (black, Jewish, homosexual, unborn) as somehow less than human, then we can feel free to torture, enslave or kill them.

  10. @Theogirl:
    Have spoken to several peoples who called themselves conservative. Most of them don’t even know where Germany is, let alone Nürnberg. They might have taken 10th grade history but do you really think that they would remember such things? Living in Austria (geographically below Germany, annexed to Nazi Germany in 1938) makes me get Nazism rubbed in my face almost daily and I can safely tell you that you know barely anything.

    Do you know why more “black babies” (please, it is disgraceful to define peoples based on their skin color) are aborted? It’s because most of those women already have a whole lot of children and cannot feed another due to poverty inflicted on them and lack of contraceptive availability & use.
    Pro-choice and Nazism have the least in common. Anti-Choice is more related due to it’s nature of “you do what I say or I kill you” evidenced by clinic bombings, assassinations and the like.
    Everyone belonging to the Human species is Human. Everything that has Human DNA is Human. The real question is are fetuses human beings (even some pro-choicers think they are and it doesnt change their stance on abortion) and if so do they have rights that no other born Human being has? Namely the right to occupy another human being’s body (because the woman most definately is one, you like forgetting that don’t you?) and feed off them without said Human beings ongoing consent.

  11. Woah, Theogirl! I would like some evidence for this rate of abortion biz.

    Furthermore, the idea that women should be allowed access to abortion has nothing to do with claiming that queer people (to use one of your examples) are less human and should be subject to poor treatment. But many of the ideologies associated with the pro-life movement are very intimately related to such a judgement.

  12. Yeah, considering that if left to a vote, the people of California would overwhelmingly vote against gay marriage, as well as practically every other state in the union (save vermont). Who are the fascists now? The only way to enact your radical gay agenda is to push rulings through activist judges. If left to the people, gay marriage fails big time. Practically every country and culture would also vote against it, btw. Your elitist attitude of equating gay marriage with slavery and inequality is terribly insulting to black people, so try to look in the mirror when expressing “outrage” of “faulty” historical comparisons. I bet many of you don’t even know what the Nuremberg trials were either. I think Conservatives should play more of your game of hiring elite judges to force Conservative ideology on the masses – let them overturn Roe V Wade, outlaw sodomy, outlaw embryonic stem cell research, mandate religious expression in public schools, ect…then you would have a taste of your own medicine, and our social moral fabric would be enhanced in the process. Those who can’t debate, defame. I bet this post won’t even be shown, due to the Left’s habit of silencing oposition and stifling debate.

  13. It’s a slow process. At least my entire life watching the politics in this country of ours. Hopefully we’ll crawling forward. I’m getting married on June 17th in California with my beautiful male lover. We’ve been waiting for this.

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