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Long Weekend LOST Blogging

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For the Jin fans, since I didn’t deliver last time.

Season finale. Woah. Spoilers below the fold.

So they get off of the island — or at least, Kate and Jack do. And something happens while they’re getting off the island that is very, very bad. Questions and theories:

1. The big one, obviously, is the question of whose funeral it was. The casket looked small, and there were no verbal references to whether the dead person is male or female. So it could be a child, or a small-ish person. But I could have sworn that the article Jack tore out of the newspaper referenced “Man…,” so I think it’s a dude. Obvious guess would be Juliet, but I don’t think she would have had such a lonely funeral. It’s someone that Kate dislikes, but that upsets Jack. I’m thinking either Locke or Ben. Ben, because perhaps he somehow redeems himself, or because Jack realizes that he was right all along about calling the ship. Locke for obvious reasons. Alternately, it could be Sawyer, who, being Sawyer, may have fucked over Kate at some point, which explains why she wouldn’t want to go to the funeral.

2. Who is Naomi? She obviously only knows who Desmond is, so my first theory is that she’s connected to Penny’s father in some way. But when Jack answers the phone, I’m pretty sure that the person on the other end identifies himself as Radinsky. Radinsky, if I remember correctly (which I might not), was one of the guys who used to be in the hatch, who supposedly committed suicide. So perhaps that was a lie, and Radinsky is on the boat with other Dharma people. Or there could be some connection between Penny’s father and Dharma. Either way, the people who are coming are going to be bad.

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Just because.

3. Was Walt actually Walt, or was he some sort of figment of John’s imagination, or of the island’s doing? Way back one of the Others asked Michael if Walt ever appeared in places he wasn’t supposed to be, and Michael didn’t answer, but looked disturbed. Plus other people have seen Walt walking around, so something supernatural is going on with him. I could have sworn that I heard a weird whispery voice before Walt spoke, though, so there’s gotta be some sort of Jacob connection with Locke’s recovery, and some connection between Walt and Jacob.

4. Does Mikhail have nine lives? Why is it impossible to kill him? He has now been blown up, pushed into some sort of killer invisible fence, and speared through the chest. If setting off a grenade in his own hand doesn’t kill him, I think it’s fair to say that he’s invincible. Which leads to the question of who/what the hell he is.

5. The blonde woman in the underwater station said she was following orders, because if she doesn’t follow orders than “everything we’re doing here falls apart” (or something like that). What are the Others doing? Also, Mikhail said that he thought they were “stationed” in Canada. Now the Others station people around the world? We know that there’s the whole pregnancy thing, but clearly the Others are doing something else. And that something else must be incredibly well-funded.

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Gratuitous? Yes. Glorious? Definitely.

6. Someone on one of the LOST blogs (yes, I admit, I read one yesterday) speculated that the flash forward was actually one of Desmond’s visions, and not the actual future, making it alterable. Thoughts?

7. Another person speculated that the woman and the kid in the car crash were Claire and Aaron, which is why Jack was so concerned about them. Sounds pretty convincing to me, if only because it’s something the LOST writers would do. But the kid was a little old to be Aaron, so who knows. Another theory: That the woman who Jack saved was Juliet’s sister.

8. Why is Kate not in prison in the flash forward?

9. What’s with the references to Jack’s dad in the flash forward? If his dad is dead, why mention him twice as if he were alive? My theory: His dad is alive. They found his coffin on the island, but it was empty. And Jack saw him on the island.

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Good Lord I love Google Images.

10. Charlie’s death was great. I teared up, and the producers did a good job of making him likable again. Some blog commenters are wondering why he didn’t swim out, or are speculating that he’ll be back. No, he’s dead for sure, and he will not be back. He didn’t swim out because he knows that if you change something about Desmond’s visions, then the future will change. He wants Claire and the baby off the island, and is willing to sacrifice himself to make sure it happens. Good job, Charlie.

11. Is Kate pregnant? I vote yes.

12. How did Penny channel directly through to the underwater station?

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Gotta love the Female Gaze.

13. Jack told Hurley and the others to stay put on the beach, but he told them that through Ben’s walkie — could some of the Others have heard him?

14. What’s the deal with the guy who doesn’t age and looks like his face is made of plastic? Why is Ben in charge over him, when we know that he was an original Other and Ben wasn’t?

15. Who is the little girl Ben was friends with as a child?

16. Who dies next season? Predictions? And who, besides Jack and Kate, make it off the island?

17. Finally, will we see mostly flash-forwards next season? I predict yes, because there’s only so much more they can do on the island and with the flash-backs. Three years is a long time — I think they’ll keep going with this backwards-looking thing.

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The End.


23 thoughts on Long Weekend LOST Blogging

  1. In regaurds to the funeral, my friend pointed out that they went out of their way to show that the funeral home was in a poor black area of town, as evidenced by the black men hanging around outside the funeral home and the black mortician in the small simple funeral home. Which then lead us to spend a half an hour wondering who could have died that was black and probably poor… the list pretty much begins and ends with Michael and Walt.

  2. Someone speculated on the ABC Lost Messageboard that the flashforward was actually some sort of flaskbackward. As if the islanders got rescued but were placed in some sort of time warp (I know it sounds corny) such that they were put in a time before the actual plane crash, which would explain the following:

    1) Kate not being being in custody, but still on the lam.
    2) Jack’s father is not dead yet.

    3) No one saying “hey, you’re Jack, that hero doctor who survived that plane crash!” If they are rescued, would that not be a huge media event? Wouldn’t Jack be a celebrity? Wouldn’t Jack’s boss at least have heard of him?

    I liked the Finale, but it did raise more questions than it answered.

  3. I have no idea about the flash-forwards, whether they’re real or potential. I don’t want to speculate too much because then I’ll be reminded just how long I have to wait until the show comes back on. *cries*

    Charlie’s death was very, very well done (I hate to say it, but they couldn’t do too much else with his character), something that I found lacking in other characters’ deaths.

    Also, can I have Sayid’s babies?

  4. They’ve not decided who was in the coffin yet.

    I figure that the flashback was the island part, and seasons 4-6 are going to focus on them getting back to the island and fixing the big mistake they made by leaving. Otherwise they get in trouble by telling us who doesn’t die and by ensuring they keep people on the show.

    The dad is alive because they wanted to keep us in “suspense” about the flash forward and they’ll retcon his death.

    None of the guys die when they’re shot, and all of the women do. Your uterus bleeds a lot, apparently.

  5. No one saying “hey, you’re Jack, that hero doctor who survived that plane crash!” If they are rescued, would that not be a huge media event? Wouldn’t Jack be a celebrity? Wouldn’t Jack’s boss at least have heard of him?

    True, but I was then wondering how Jack and Kate wound up with the unlimited flight passes. It seems like the sort of thing an airline would give you to apologize for a crash.

  6. A whole bunch of random thoughts:

    – Someone (the new hot doctor in the flashforward sequence) did say that Jack was a “hero twice over,” like he’d rescued someone from an island. But the first heroic act could be saving his ex-wife.

    – Any idea who it is (a he) who could be wondering where Kate is when she meets with Jack? Somebody they cut a deal with to get back to the real world?

    – I think the Claire/Isaac in the crash thing is a definite possibility.

    – I loved grunge Jack and Urban Decay make-up Kate.

    – Also, any possibility Sawyer could go evil? He’s getting mighty good at killing.

    – Finally, SO MUCH HOTNESS in this episode.

  7. No one saying “hey, you’re Jack, that hero doctor who survived that plane crash!” If they are rescued, would that not be a huge media event? Wouldn’t Jack be a celebrity? Wouldn’t Jack’s boss at least have heard of him?

    Well, the doctor does say “You’re a hero, two times over” — which could refer to the mom and the boy, but could also refer to the plane crash and the car crash. Also, the guy in the pharmacy calls Jack “the hero” and says he saw him on TV. He doesn’t say for what, though — I think a lot of people assumed it was the car wreck, but the man doesn’t actually say.

  8. 4. Does Mikhail have nine lives? Why is it impossible to kill him? He has now been blown up, pushed into some sort of killer invisible fence, and speared through the chest. If setting off a grenade in his own hand doesn’t kill him, I think it’s fair to say that he’s invincible. Which leads to the question of who/what the hell he is.

    I think he’s like Locke and Rose. All 3 of them seem to have some tie to the Island. I would bet that Mikhail had some kind of illness or disability when he first came to the Island and was cured of it. I’d bet Locke and Rose couldn’t be killed either. Locke has certainly survived things that likely would have killed others.

    So I’m guessing that once the Island cures you, you can’t be killed on it.

  9. Walt, I assumed, was one of the many visions Jacob creates for people, like the black horse, Eko’s brother, Ben’s mother, etc. (Well, I think it’s Jacob, anyway.) He takes the form of whomever he thinks his target will best respond to, and naturally, Locke would best respond to Walt.

    Also, I could see Kate getting pardoned or acquitted. I mean, after coming back from the island, she’s probably a celebrity who has been portrayed as a hero. And if she could afford a good lawyer (hello, Oceanic settlement!), and got a sympathetic jury, no problem.

  10. My thoughts about the flash-forward are that returning from the island, the losties returned to a different future. One where Jack’s father is still alive and Kate was never a fugitive. Which would explain why Kate is fine with where they are now, but Jack wants to get back to the island and correct the mistake of leaving. The “him” Kate refers to might be Sawyer, who may never have been a con-man in this timeline.

    I think the coffin belonged to Michael. Sure, the coffin was kind of small, but Michael is not a tall man. Kate (and the other losties) would avoid his funeral because he engineered the kidnapping of Sawyer, Kate, and Jack…not to mention the fact that he killed Hurley’s lady. But Jack would see that act as an opportunity squandered, while Kate would see it as betrayal.

    Hurley…my favorite character! I loved him saving the day in his magic bus! No one thinks he can do anything because of his weight, but he is always the one who saves the day. He’s the heart of the group, the one who’s never acted out of malice, yet blames himself for everything bad that’s happened to people around him. He’s the strongest person there, but the one no one thinks is capable. Greatness.

    What I’m really curious about is Dharma. They obviously still exist and think that everything is fine (hence the continued food drops.) But maybe after the blocking of communications by The Others, they’ve become suspicious. It could be their boat offshore. But that boat seems to be more ominous…even though Naomi and the people on the boat seemed nice enough. But the “Not Penny’s boat” message from Charlie casts a dark cloud.

    I’m so glad they announced an end date for the show. My husband stopped watching last season, and I was starting to become bored with endless questions an no answers. Knowing that all will have been revealed in three seasons gives me reason to continue. And now I’m looking forward to having the mysteries unravel in due time.

    But curses on the CW and the cancellation of Veronica Mars!

  11. But didn’t we see the woman who was in the car crash when Jack was looking at her charts early in the episode? It didn’t really look like either Claire or Juliet’s sister. I’m leaning towards the bits on the island being the flashbacks in this episode, although the possibility of their being Desmond’s flash-forwards is interesting too… Hmm, now I’m all torn.

    That coffin did look awfully small, but if it were Walt, I can’t imagine nobody showing up for his funeral… Locke or Ben certainly makes sense.

    Also: Hurley’s rescue of Sayid, Jin, and Bernard was quite possibly the best thing ever. And then there was Sayid breaking that guys neck with his feet, causing me to exclaim (as I often do) “And that is why Sayid is the hottest guy on the island!”

    I’m afraid I really do have serious Jack-hate going on that I just can’t seem to get around. He just seems so bloody self-indulgent and generally ineffective to me. ;p It seems quite possible that Kate was referring to Sawyer when she said “he” would be wondering where she was, but it also seems likely that the writers would know we would assume that, and thus it’s not…

  12. random thing i noticed: on the island, jack has obvious gray in his stubble, but in the flash-forward his beard is entirely brown. and kate has no freckles. huh?

  13. Found this on the TWOP comment section:

    Freezed framed the obit and the first name of the dead person is a man that starts with Ja or Jo and is from New York and was found dead in a loft in downtown LA

    Well, that would leave us John Locke, James (Sawyer) Ford, Jacob, or Juliet(if they are wrong about the 2nd letter, and the sex of the person. Did I miss anyone that fits those criteria?

  14. and of course, Jin, also with the caveat of getting the second letter wrong.

  15. random thing i noticed: on the island, jack has obvious gray in his stubble, but in the flash-forward his beard is entirely brown. and kate has no freckles. huh?

    3rd reply in a row, but… I would just assume that back in civilization she would have access to makeup. She wouldn’t be the first woman to cover her freckles. The beard, maybe same thing. They probably don’t have Grecian Formula on Craphole Island.

  16. well, given jack’s general appearance of unkempt and crazy, it doesn’t seem like he’d be spending time dying his beard. and the whole thing was emphasized by a cut from a brown-bearded jack to a gray-stubbled jack. this doesn’t seem like the kind of thing the writers would just throw in for no reason.

  17. I finally saw a few episodes of this show, thanks to Jill’s tip that I can watch it on ABC’s website. I watched two episodes involving the the woman (Naomi?) dropping out of the sky. This is one hypermasculine show. All the dudes seem to have a violent streak at their finger tips and seem to be McGyverish, except the pudgy dude. He’s a clown. I have kind of a problem with this casting. Does anyone else notice this?

  18. Also, re: Kate’s freckles. I don’t know about hers, but my freckles only seriously show up when I’ve been getting a lot of sun. Me on desert island would = holy crap, freckles! But me normally is just “hmmm, does that woman have freckles? Maybe a few…” (and none if I put on even the slightest touch of foundation.

  19. Don’t forget that Kate and Rousseau have a serious violent and McGyver streak too. Kate, after all, is a murderer. As far as Hurley, he’s a fairly standard archetype. But even he, like many of the others, is a twist on the archetype. He’s got a dark past too, if you remember that he was in a psychiatric hospital.

    Most of the main “hero” characters are twisted from the hero archetype.
    Kate–Murderer, bank robber.
    Sawyer–he’s the Dangerous Bad Boy archetype but it’s pretty rare that even that character has committed murder, but he has.
    Sayid–Torturer, possible killer
    Jin–Paid thug, possible murderer.

    The show is full of standard archetypes, twisted 90 degrees from normal

  20. I agree with Frumious B about the masculist nature of the show; it has long bothered me. Not, however, enough to stop watching, since I generally watch for the plot, not the characters (many of whom I dislike). My favorite characters are not the violent women, but rather the men who have other things going on besides power plays (such as Locke or Desmond). People sometimes note Kate and Rousseau as strong female characters — and I do enjoy Rousseau, but I don’t consider her a regular — but what’s more interesting to me is the extremely rare instances when the women have secret alliances or journeys away from the men — for example, when Kate and Claire (and Sun?) went off to find out what happened when Claire was kidnapped, or the flashback when Kate and Sawyer’s old girlfriend teamed up, or the minute when Sun confided in Juliet about how she wasn’t sure whether Jin was the father of her baby (before, of course, it turned out that Juliet was just working for The Man). I wish there were more moments like that.

    Hurley’s characterization really bothers me a lot. In the first season, yes he was a clown, but he didn’t seem to care that he was big. Then in the second season, he got a girlfriend (yay), but not only does she die, but it turns out that he has all the typical “I hate myself because I’m fat” hangups. Then suddenly, even though he’s gone on plenty of missions, he’s told he’s too fat to play. Yes, it was a set-up for him to save the day, but really, do we need to see the same old assumptions with this character?

  21. I think I’ve said this before but I’ll whine again, regarding the masculinist nature of the show…

    In the commentary to the first season, found on the dvd set, the creator discusses that the original plan for the show was for Kate to be the show’s central focus–not Jack. But the producers wanted someone “stronger,” someone “more of a leader.”

    AKA, a dude.

  22. What’s with the references to Jack’s dad in the flash forward? If his dad is dead, why mention him twice as if he were alive? My theory: His dad is alive. They found his coffin on the island, but it was empty. And Jack saw him on the island.

    But others have seen dead people on the island who are still dead. Plus, if you notice, only Jack brings Christian up, and in the first instance, it’s with someone who would have no idea if he were dead or alive. It some pharmacy emplyee in a drug store. Of course she would try and contact Christian. She does not know who he is at all. The second time Jack brings him up (and noone else ever does) is in front of co-workers. And they look at Jack like he’s flipped out.

    Is Kate pregnant? I vote yes.

    While I think it’s possible she is pregnant, my theory is she does not carry to term. When Jack’s ex shows up? She is still pregnant. When she left Jack, she was late and getting a pregnancy test. So, between her leaving Jack and Jack returning from the island is under nine-months. When we see Kate, she would likely be at showing a bit, no? On the other hand, I supposed it was dark enough that we do not really know.

    But when Jack answers the phone, I’m pretty sure that the person on the other end identifies himself as Radinsky. Radinsky, if I remember correctly (which I might not), was one of the guys who used to be in the hatch, who supposedly committed suicide.

    I am quite certain you are correct…good catch! I didn’t notice that.

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