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Color me unsympathetic

Wealth therapy. I kid you not. Here are some choice quotations from the therapists in question:

Often, I use an analogy with my clients that coming out to people about their wealth is similar to coming out of the closet as gay. There’s a feeling of being exposed and dealing with judgment.

Sure. Except for the risk of violence, the loss of rights, the weight of years of hatred. It’s just like coming out as gay.

Sometimes I am shocked by things that people say. If you substitute in the word Jewish or black, you would never say something like that. You’d never say – spoiled rotten or you would never refer to another group of people in the way that it seems perfectly normal to refer to wealth holders.

I just can’t even. I can’t even with this nonsense. The super-rich do not have a history of oppression and persecution. They don’t have a contemporary risk of being gunned down in the street by agents of the state who walk away unpunished.

I’m not saying rich people can’t have problems. The death of a loved one, parents’ divorce, a broken heart; these things can and will happen to anybody and everybody, including rich people. But they are not an oppressed group. By fucking definition. And I don’t have much sympathy with their feeling that it’s unfair for them to have to pick up the tab at a restaurant. From each according to their abilities, jerkface.

So, this is clearly absurd. But I do think it’s an example of what happens when we talk about “diversity” or “multiculturalism” but don’t talk about power. Diversity is the easy part. Who doesn’t want a rich variety of people in their school or workplace or life (well, a lot of people, it seems, but bear with me)? But when we empty the discussion of the varying amounts of power some groups have held at the expense of other groups, when we make all groups of equal weight, this is what we get: a rhetoric in which rich people are compared to Jews or black people. You can have a classroom with 30 people in it, and 2 black kids, 1 kid of Indian descent, 1 Native kid, 1 kid of Korean descent, 2 Jewish kids, 1 kid of Saudi descent–and hey, what a rich and diverse group of backgrounds! What great photos you can take for the school’s brochure! Never mind that 22 of those kids are white Gentiles! Or that, say, all but two of them (I don’t care which two, take your pick) are from super rich families! We’ve got diversity!

And that, in my opinion, is why “diversity” is in fashion and, say, “integration” is not. Because diversity is easy to achieve with just a handful of cosmetic changes. Diversity doesn’t care about power dynamics or history or contemporary circumstances. Something like integration, on the other hand–if your commitment is to integration rather than just diversity, you can’t just recruit a few brown faces here, a couple of scholarship kids there. For integration, sustained integration, you have to look at systemic changes, you have to examine how and why you’re so white and rich in the first place. Your ridiculous equivalences about how it’s no more acceptable to make insulting generalizations about rich people than it is about Jews or black people (I CANNOT EVEN) fall apart when you talk about integration, when you talk about power. So don’t be fooled by “diversity.” Diversity’s fine. I’m not opposed to diversity. But it’s not the real deal, either.


37 thoughts on Color me unsympathetic

  1. The thing that bugs me so much about this whole “Support the fee-fees of the rich!” is that it totally ignores the crucial difference between deserved criticism and undeserved defamation (same thing with police departments whining about how maligned they are right now). It’s appropriating the language people use to talk about discrimination and prejudice and replaces “I am being systematically devalued and/or disenfranchised because of who I am” with “I am being made to feel bad.”

    Getting criticism sucks, and you feel bad. Changing your behavior or your beliefs in response to criticism isn’t easy, and no one said it is.

    Yes, both deserved criticism and undeserved defamation involve having negative things said about you. The crucial difference is whether those negative things are ACCURATE (yes, rich people ARE spoiled because it affects your frame of reference and your assumptions about the world if you never have to worry about basic necessities and you are accustomed to getting what you want) and/or MORALLY VALID (e.g., while it might be perfectly accurate to point out that a gay person is gay, acting like that makes them less-than is not a morally valid position). It also matters whether or not your behavior or your identity is being criticized. If you are an MRA or a white supremacist, it’s not your maleness or your whiteness that’s being criticized, it’s the fact that you’re a bigoted douchebag. If you’re rich, it’s not the total amount of money you have that’s the problem; it’s the fact that our system is disproportionately funneling more wealth to you in the form of tax cuts, subsidies, and FDIC support while schools and infrastructure and health care are foundering. Do you notice how no one’s hating on Warren Buffet? That’s because he’s vocal in advocating for a fairer system. If you feel bad about your wealth, or think people dislike you for it, write a letter to the editor, put up a youtube video* about how you really only need $500,000**/year to live perfectly comfortably instead of the $1,000,000/year you’re currently making post-tax, vote accordingly, and donate the other $500,000 to various worthy causes of your choice.

    And if you DON’T want to do those things and you want to keep your $1,000,000/year and ignore the fact that school kids can’t get decent science textbooks or even fucking notebooks and crayons? Then you ARE the spoiled brat we’re talking about, and fuck you.

    These “wealth therapists” are hacks that are there specifically to short-circuit the feeling of discomfort that comes from valid criticism rather than using it to work toward positive change.

    *See, it’s not that hard:

    https://vimeo.com/84187156

    **Notice I’m saying $500,000, which is still pretty damn sweet–I’m not exactly being a Marxist here!

  2. Also pretty damn unsympathetic to the idea that being a Jewish person in America is anything like being black in terms of oppression, power imbalance, prejudice, or anything else. Just a major ugh from start to finish.

      1. Not you, the article (well, to be more accurate your response to the article, but I didn’t read you as making that argument yourself so much as paraphrasing/reacting to what they said).

        You can have a classroom with 30 people in it, and 2 black kids, 1 kid of Indian descent, 1 Native kid, 1 kid of Korean descent, 2 Jewish kids, 1 kid of Saudi descent–and hey, what a rich and diverse group of backgrounds! What great photos you can take for the school’s brochure! Never mind that 22 of those kids are white Gentiles!

        Like, being Jewish is in no way equivalent or even comparable to being a member of a racial minority (to use your example Asian/Native/Arab/Black), at all. Ditto for the oppression of atheists; sure, there are lots of ways in which American cultural Christianity is oppressive to both groups, but it’s vastly different in terms of seriousness, scale and impact.

        Like I said, I don’t think it’s your argument, and I wasn’t trying to call you out or anything. It’s just another sloppy bit of rhetoric in an already terribly offensive original statement, and I thought it was worth commenting on.

        Maybe I totally misread both the quote and your reaction, in which case, mea culpa.

      2. I think it’s a slight misreading–I think the therapist in question picked Jews and black people as examples of the two most historically persecuted and oppressed groups she could think of, not saying their positions in the contemporary US are equivalent, and her usage was why I did it. Although for all I know, somebody so lacking in perspective as to compare rich people to Jews or black people thinks racism in the US is no big.

        That said, your comment made me bristle a bit, as I found it uncomfortably close to a statement that anti-Semitism is not an issue in the US and never will be again, and that is not my experience or perspective; perhaps that was my own misreading. Though obviously I completely agree that anti-Semitism in the US currently and historically is nowhere near as awful as anti-black racism is and was.

      3. That said, your comment made me bristle a bit, as I found it uncomfortably close to a statement that anti-Semitism is not an issue in the US and never will be again, and that is not my experience or perspective; perhaps that was my own misreading.

        Sorry, that wasn’t my intent. I tried to acknowledge that with:

        Ditto for the oppression of atheists; sure, there are lots of ways in which American cultural Christianity is oppressive to both groups, but it’s vastly different in terms of seriousness, scale and impact.

        But perhaps the analogy wasn’t clear enough.

      4. Oh, I see! Yes, I figured that couldn’t have been your intention. I think I missed that sentence because of the ethnic/racialized component of anti-Semitism, which to my knowledge isn’t present in the way dominant Christianity perceives atheism, though I am not up on that situation and could be wrong. But anyway, I’m glad that it was a misreading and that we’re on the same page with both things!

      5. I think Ludlow is just an anti-semite taking the opportunity to derail this conversation into one about denying anti-semitism for absolutely no reason at all.

      6. I think Ludlow is just an anti-semite taking the opportunity to derail this conversation into one about denying anti-semitism for absolutely no reason at all.

        Begone, troll, away with thee!

      7. I think I missed that sentence because of the ethnic/racialized component of anti-Semitism, which to my knowledge isn’t present in the way dominant Christianity perceives atheism, though I am not up on that situation and could be wrong.

        Oh yeah, I’m realizing it was a bit of a clumsy turn of phrase now that I re-read it. I wasn’t trying to say the two situations were exactly the same at all.

      8. I honestly don’t think either one of you is a troll–you’re both regular commenters. So let’s chalk this one up to a misunderstanding and let it go.

      9. Hesitantly, Ludlow–I’m not sure about this. Maybe it in part depends on one’s observance (e.g. whether or not one is a religious or secular Jew) but most of the observant Jews I know who work outside the Jewish community have some rough times. It’s not comparable to when I lived in Europe and was harassed by strangers very near daily, but it definitely seems on a different level from atheist. Could be geographically variant within North America too and it clearly varies by profession.

      10. As a Jewish atheist, I’ve run into very little anti-Semitism (of course, I’ve gone out of my way to live a life–and been able to do that–that would minimize it), but I’ve definitely run into more anti-Semitism than I have any anti-atheist feeling.

      1. I suspect the severity of anti-Semitism in the US also depends on which part you’re in.

        And pedantry is always welcome on my posts!

      2. Depends which part of America you’re in. Or did you mean the U.S?

        Nice use of context to successfully divine the meaning of a sentence! A+ work.

      3. Nice use of context to successfully divine the meaning of a sentence! A+ work.

        Right back atcha

      4. Right back atcha

        Well, as long as we’re being children, that rejoinder doesn’t work in this particular instance: my post didn’t involve the use of context clues.

        Step up your game. Or grow up, either way.

      5. I guess it might depend on where you live. Here, you don’t really hear anti Semitic stuff. You do hear how atheists are why the world is going to end, atheists are why there’s no God in school therefore responsible for all the school shootings, why no one can pray anywhere for any reason at any time, have an agenda to turn children away from God, are why teh gays aren’t still in the closet, why Caitlyn Jenner exists etc etc and so on. Jews may not be Baptists, but at least they believe in God , and aren’t Muslims or atheists. Muslims and atheists are the worst. Oh and atheists are why all those babies are murdered before birth. The only people I’ve ever heard anti Semitic crap from were the Aryan brotherhood assholes, and they’re all meth junkies so they’re largely ignored or considered crazy. Mostly, people here view Jews as the same as white, only with no Jesus.

        I have no idea how many in the Jewish community live here, as I seem to be the only person alive who can’t look at someone and tell if they’re Jewish or not. We’ve got a lot of Hispanics, a decent number of Indians and both groups intermingle with both white and black people so you get a lot of mixed race people who look like what you see as ” Jewish” . Not to mention the Spanish descended Hispanics with red hair. So it’s a crap shoot when you’re determining someone’s race ( though why you would is weird to begin with).

        ( yes. The preferable and accurate identifier here is Hispanic, not Latino. They are not interchangeable with Spanish and Latino.)

        Have I mentioned it sucks here?

      6. I have to say, I fucking hate the attitude that Jews are just Christians without Christ. No. Fucking no. We have a different history, different philosophies and ethics, different traditions, different perspectives and experiences. I really hate that assimilationist difference-denying bullshit, and I do think it is a form of anti-Semitism.

      7. To me it sounds like, Jews are Christians without Christ if they know what’s good for them.

      8. Hmmm, I think with the people I’m familiar with, it’s less Christians but without Christ and more ” the same as white people” but without Jesus. Or, as close to being white ( and perfect -eye roll-) as someone can get. In other words, they’d rather hang around a Jewish person than a black person. Even if the black person shared the same religion. They probably think they’ll’ get some extra go to heaven points on top of it all. Dumbass rednecks, y’all. I’m surrounded by em.

      9. Oh! I almost forgot the appropriation of Jewish experience by claiming some of the biblical hardships as if it’s the same..Jewish persecution and enslavement is Christian persecution and enslavement too. But then they one up you by being fed to lions. Their victim status is looooong.

        -retch-

  3. Wealth therapy is just as valid as psychic hotlines, phone sex, or any other occupation targeting people with more dollars than sense. Furthermore, rich people don’t have to cut their budgets during recessions. These guys have a growth market for underemployed psych degree holders.

    Let them listen to the ricos’ whine. Wish Trump had hired a therapist instead of political consultants

    1. Hey, who’s stopping them? I’m mocking them, and also questioning their professional integrity.

      I do think a difference between them and psychic hotlines, though, is that if they are encouraging rich people to believe that they are a persecuted group, they are doing real political damage.

  4. I make money off the wealthy ( I’m a massage therapist at a gym that has more wealthy members than average, because it’s connected to a hospital..we get lots of doctors) and you would not believe the crap they whine about. And they don’t tip for shit. The less well off people tip well, and whine less.

  5. Ok, I’ll be that jerk…..

    I can definitely see how they may have added stress. I mean, as the Notorious B.I.G. once said, “Mo money, mo problems.” That said, the original article doesn’t really go into any specific details. Like, I can totally see how they may not have the same friends as before, but it never really talks about how that propels people to go into therapy. Like, what does isolation look like for a wealthy person?

    I mean, I’ve had people call me a spoiled brat for X reason, but then we all got over it and went on with our lives.

    1. If a rich person is running a large business, yes, that’s probably stressful. But they’re incredibly well compensated for that stress, and it’s not necessarily more stressful than lots of other, less-well renumerated jobs. So my sympathy is limited.

    2. I think what’s objectionable here isn’t the idea that high-net-worth people experience stress or depression or have bad days just like everyone else, but the idea that being rich makes you oppressed in the same way being black or gay does.

      Also, as a purely quantitative matter, more money translates directly into longer lifespans, higher self-reported happiness (to a point), more stable personal relationships (i.e. lower divorce rates, lower rates of parental estrangement), and so on. The only exception I’m aware of is people who suddenly become wealthy (i.e. lottery winners, lawsuit plaintiffs, etc.); they actually do seem to have a remarkable propensity for winding up with ruined lives.

      1. It sounded like they were saying people have certain assumptions and attitudes towards people who have money (i.e. You have money=You’re a spoiled brat!), of course, that’s not the same as i.e. You’re are black = You are lazy!, but it’s still under the definition of a “prejudice.”

        But I agree, the implication that these prejudices are the same in a real worl, practical sense, is crap.

  6. Odd that the article fails to point out the most pertinent part: If you don’t like the discrimination which comes from being rich, you can easily become NON-rich. By choice. At any time. It’s called “giving shit away.”

    Hell, you can even fake it, by living a normal non-rich life and working at a normal non-rich job and wearing non-rich-person clothes and driving normal cars and so on.

    Voila. Problem solved.

  7. How did we get a referendum on the existence of anti semitism in the US?

    Because some constantly combative commenter who is not Jewish decided she feels like anti semitism doesn’t exist.

    Obviously this is a very valid approach, and not at all itself anti semitic.

    Oh wait, she was just saying Jewish people are less discriminated against than black people, or any other people of color.

    Because all Jews are white apparently.

    These oppression Olympics are important, and not a complete failure at intersectional discourse.

    /sarcasm

    Ludlow’s characterizations of racism and anti semitism in these comments are basic, stupid, wrong, offensive, racist in and of themselves, and totally invented from nothing.

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      Honestly I’m impressed that you’ve even figured out how to work your computer.

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        You’re nasty

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