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Being Monroe

Way back when, when I was in therapy bitching to my therapist about my body issues, she explained that the only reason I was picking on myself was that I was, at the time, depressed. “No, I’m fat,” I told her, feeling petulant. She explained that most people have one deep-seated but shallow criticism of themselves that defies all logic, and like an office assistant pulls a file, we pull the file and pore over it when we’re feeling down with no reason at all. Thus instead of thinking “I just feel like crap today,” I would abuse myself by calling myself fat, thereby extending and strengthening the link between my depression and body image.

It doesn’t help that mainstream culture further pushes their market creations on our insecurities, making otherwise intelligent women buy and do ridiculous things. At times one almost feels guilty for rejecting all this beauty nonsense outright, as though one is betraying a duty one has to simple social standards. I too am guilty of buying crap like hair removal lotions that left me with a rash, miracle makeup off an infomercial, and ass cream that left me slick enough to oops! slip out of my jeans on accident and be arrested for public exposure on a city bus (long story). After my pregnancy I was so disgusted with what I saw in the mirror that I embarked on an exercise campaign that left me looking like a sinewy bag of bones. I spent three hours a day at the gym and when offered a meal, glibly said, “No thanks, I’m trying to quit.”

I wasn’t kidding.

I spent a great deal of time justifying my body issues, blaming everything from my ex-boyfriends to depression, continuing that abusive internal dialogue. Those who noticed my weight loss almost universally had the same opinion: Have you lost weight? You look fantastic! That I was miserable and miserably unhealthy was neither apparent or of concern.

I finally began to ease up on myself as I began to get my tattoo. As sad as this is, it wasn’t my feminism or intellect that saved me from my dysmorphia, it was ink and mayonaisse. This isn’t to say that the body image issues ended for me, they only changed. I began to aim for excessive femininity in style and clothing and, as I eased off the exercise, boycotted pants because “my legs were too fat.” I never expressed this out loud until very recently, swaddled in shame because, goddammit, I know better.

My female friends have been a saving grace for me with my body issues, as we hash over them with alarming regularity. I see these beautiful women fretting over this or that and think how silly we are to be so hard on ourselves. I’m not this shallow with others, only myself. Realizing this and re-realizing this begins the reflection necessary to build a scaffold from which to move upward.

When I travelled north last month, I watched my friend very carefully. She has the body of a fertility goddess, over six feet tall with beautiful pear-shaped body, wide hips and round belly, tattoos on her arms, chest, and a beautiful piece of the three sirens on her thigh. She carries it all with a grace and confidence that is truly awesome to behold. When we went out that weekend, she called out a middle-aged stranger who overtly leered at us (answering he “would stare at whatever the hell he wanted to stare at,” pointing at me). What do you think you are, some kind of Amazon?

“Fuck yeah, motherfucker,” she said. “What of it?” He was eye-level with her neck.

Priceless stuff.

Every time I visit her I leave feeling fantastic about myself because her motherhood-, body- and sex-positivity is contagious and so personally compelling. It is difficult not to feel like a goddess in her company. I always come home feeling like I can do, or be, anything.

Why my friend feels so different is not only that she is both traditionally and untraditionally attractive, her beauty comes from exuding power. While body trends shift and change with the decade, we’re stuck with the bodies we have and the ways in which we must develop positive self-perception. She has a handle on things. When I spend time with her, I begin to remember that I have a handle on them as well. Most of us are in an unending body project.

Today I feel wonderful — I’ll run with that for awhile.


76 thoughts on Being Monroe

  1. Your reasons for getting a tattoo are very similar to mine, but you phrased it much better than I’ve managed to. I have a five-inch tall fairy on my left shoulderblade. She’s a reminder that I am beautiful, and she’s a promise that I am going to take care of my body. She’s positioned right above a scar on my back, and she is crouching, as though she’s about to jump up and take flight. I’ve had this tattoo since May, and it’s already helping me to look at my body in a different way.

    Your friend sounds fantastic.

  2. Defacing your body by stabbing yourself with needles seems a strange way to feel good about one’s appearance, but if you already have screwed-up image issues you may as well collect the entire set.

    How does James Monroe fit into this?

  3. David, “defacing” our bodies by decorating ourselves was one of the things that separated Cro-Mags from Neanderthals. Various forms of tattooing and body modification developed independently in Asia, Oceania, in Europe, in Africa and in the New World.

    If your preference is for only temporary decorations, your body is your to do with as you see fit.

    The implication that one has to “already have screwed-up image issues” to want permanent decoration is, however, both uncharitable and unfounded. People mark themselves in permanent ways for lots of reasons — cultural identification not least. Are you going to tell Pacific Islander guys living in the U.S. that they are screwed up because they want to bear the dark marks that their forefathers wore when they sailed from island to island across the Pacific? Or are you going to tell merchant mariners from Maine that they shouldn’t want an earring to mark their passage across the Equator, like the sailors before them?

  4. Lovely post. I have been having much the same experience as I’ve gone through pregnancy and had to put aside all my notions of what normal looking is for me. It has been amazingly freeing.

    I love your therapist’s description of the one self-hatred we revert to. That is exactly right, and it is body hatred of some sort for so many women….almost all the ones in my family, sadly, which is where I learned it…

  5. Great post, Lauren. Coincidentally, I got an e-mail this morning about a play called “The Body Project” that’s playing here in D.C. So if any Feministe readers are in the D.C. area, might want to check it out:

    The Body Project

  6. David, if you read the post on tattoos linked above, you might get some greater context for my experience. Body modification for body ownership is not unheard of at all, and for many, marks milestones where official rites of passage used to exist.

  7. This struck a real chord with me. After 3 kids I’ll never have my young body back. I felt beautiful when very pregnant but the long term physical results certainly don’t fit modern ideas of beauty.

    We’re very hard on young women – the expectation to be beautiful when beauty translates to very thin and a certain set of features is tough on everyone but especially those whose body types don’t lead to that naturally. My 13 year old daughter is concerned about a classmate – a beautiful girl who was quite slender and now is clearly starving herself. Meanwhile, get to a certain age and you disappear from public eyes as beautiful – this is both freeing and annoying.

  8. Lauren, you put this whole dilemma in a new light! I went into a local high school the other day, and I jumped in on a discussion about this with high-school aged girls. I explained to them that a positive self image and high self-esteem were key factors in them blossoming into women. No matter what anybody says, being a female is a wonderful thing! Look in the mirror everyday and find five things that you like about yourself; carry them with you! I am proud to say that I will be standing beside you in the fight to educate our nations youth 🙂

  9. Lauren, I think everyone has body issues to one extent or other. I’m a mesomorph, and have never, ever gotten within spitting distance of the washboard-abs look, even when I was swimming six miles a day and doing weights and isokinetics. I did have washboard abs, they were just covered in a softening layer of fat.

    So sometimes what I do is: give up. And in doing so, I forget that being fit and unslender feels much better, physically and emotionally (to me), than being unfit and even more unslender. I’m climbing back up that hill to fitness right now. I did it four years ago, doing Masters swimming, but adopting the second kid made it much more difficult to stay with. After a while, though, I got fed up with my own excuses.

    Dunno about tattoos and other such things; I’ve thought about that a while and concluded that they’re simply not me, just as the wave of male ear-piercing born in the ’80s wasn’t me. I think there’s a subtle distinction between tattooing yourself to change yourself or feel better about yourself, and tattooing because it’s right, and I think I’d want to get all that sorted out before doing it. But again, that’s me.

    Whatever you do, I hope that you get these things sorted out. Maybe the answer is that you’ve lost your center, and that the attractive thing about your friend is that she’s perfectly centered.

  10. Maybe the answer is that you’ve lost your center, and that the attractive thing about your friend is that she’s perfectly centered.

    It isn’t about losing one’s center, so much as identifying where the fuck it is in the first place and preventing outside factors from snatching it away from us. I believe that the only way to remove ourselves from this nastiness, if it is possible, is to a) be completely honest and shameless about the effects of outside expectations and how they affect our perceptions of self, and b) consciously embark on a positive mental and emotional body project. The solution ain’t going to be ass cream.

  11. Lauren, can I just take a moment to tell you that you are absolutely, stark raving beautiful?

    And no, I’m not talking physical appearance, though no, I’m not excluding it either. I mean all of it: the complexity, the thirst for justice, the passion, the love for Ethan and the boyfriend and the good-for-nothing cats, the writing, the self-doubt and the sensitivity and sporadic fearlessness.

    I love it all. I am glad to know you. You are beautiful.

  12. Oh, wow.

    That struck a whole lotta chords, Lauren. So many, in fact, that my reply to your post was turning rapidly into a post of its own. I’ll be posting it over at my site soon.

    And, by the way: you’re beautiful.

  13. A very eloquent post.

    It’s my perception that women deal with these issues moreso than do men, but as a man, I can say that men deal with body issues (like Slartibartfast alludes to), and I think it’s only getting worse. If I had a dime – hell, even a nickel – for all the times I thought I was too skinny or too weak to be attractive because I didn’t fit the model of what was “manly”, I’d be a wealthy man.

    As for the tattooing, it’s a matter of personal expression as I see it. It’s not for me, but I understand the “ownership” aspect of it.

  14. I don’t have many quarrels with capitalism, but this is the one I do have. Women (and men, too, but for whatever reason it doesn’t seem to damage us so much) get constantly told of their inadequacies, their imperfections, their basic unacceptability. It’s just profoundly wrong. That’s not the only thing that contributes to this problem but its a big part.

    My daughter just turned three. At the moment she has a great body image. How long does that last? How do I protect her from people who are going to tell her she’s fat, she’s inadequate, she’s too this or too that. How do I instill in her that “fuck you, I am too beautiful” attitude?

  15. Well, we often tell her that she’s beautiful (and smart and nice and brave and a list of other positive attributes). Then we smack her hand and send her too her room, because she has to learn to deal with mixed messages.

    No. But it is interesting to me that when she’s upset or angry about something, she will say “I not beautiful – I dangerous!” She uses “dangerous” as a general objection to all praise and seems to believe it is a counterargument to all positive traits. Beats me as to why.

  16. Hi Lauren. Great post!

    I totally understand your phrasing of ownership. By placing a tattoo on our bodies, we’re modifying it by our own choices. I also know exactly what you are talking about with regards to the realization that the pre-baby body we had will never be back again. I had lost a lot of weight after Peanut was born, slimmed down a lot, only to start school and gain lots more back. I walk a lot so at least I feel like I’m doing something and I am proud of my shapely legs. 🙂 While I am actually okay with my body shape, for the most part, I would really like to lose some weight in the chest are though.

    I have 4 tattoo’s: one of salamander/viney stuff, one of the women’s biological symbol or Isis’s mirror, another of Peanut’s initials and a mouse (no, not mickey mouse). I desperately want a snake or lizard wrapped around my left foot, but I’m chicken because it might hurt…a lot.

  17. Forgive me if this is yawnily well known about the whole ass cream thing, but in case it’s of the slightest, silly help. I once brought up the Obvious Moisturizing Product Conundrum – i.e. how come your right palm and fingers aren’t appreciably in better shape than your left after years of applying expensive unguents generally with one hand – in conversation with a drunk (and delightful) beauty consultant at a dinner. The memorable gist of her very long reply was: Nivea soft facial moisturizing cream for everything; ass creams are not ass-specific (but so often go hand in hand with renewed exercise regimes, ass massage and general rear-end buffing attention they make penniless suckers of us all by giving the impression of improvement-via-cream) and…well, Nivea for everything if you want the best for your money. (She was also funny about how the French think everything can be solved by cream, while Americans and Brits don’t).

    Sorry for the trivia – back to Pacific Islanders and tribal markings…

  18. Defacing your body by stabbing yourself with needles seems a strange way to feel good about one’s appearance, but if you already have screwed-up image issues you may as well collect the entire set.

    How does James Monroe fit into this?

    What Thomas said. There are also a great many stories like this.

    It’s always interesting to me that people who want to cast any particular procedure as mutilative devote so much descriptive energy to how painful it is–even when it obviously wasn’t much of an issue for the self-mutilator in question.

  19. It isn’t about losing one’s center, so much as identifying where the fuck it is in the first place and preventing outside factors from snatching it away from us.

    Agreed. And agreed, ass cream is not going to center you. Nor am I, so you could say my value here is at the level of ass cream. Still, what are the odds a tattoo will cure what ails you?

    Nor am I qualified to uphold any Zenlike discussion, so maybe I am beneath ass cream. Still, I think you can replace “centered” with something like {aware of one’s values and commitments, and acting consistently with those values and commitments} without losing much of what I was thinking about when typing “centered”.

    And now that ass cream has left me in the dust, I’m out of here.

  20. Well, we often tell her that she’s beautiful (and smart and nice and brave and a list of other positive attributes). Then we smack her hand and send her too her room, because she has to learn to deal with mixed messages.

    No. But it is interesting to me that when she’s upset or angry about something, she will say “I not beautiful – I dangerous!” She uses “dangerous” as a general objection to all praise and seems to believe it is a counterargument to all positive traits. Beats me as to why.

    Heh. Dangerous girls are the best kind.

    I really, really don’t want this to come off as, “You’re fucking up your daughter!” but I think some of my–and my sister’s–body issues stemmed from having our parents and everyone constantly tell us that we were beautiful girls. It was a lot of pressure to live up to, and it made decisions like, oh, lopping off one’s tits extra fraught. My sister was terrified of lopping off her hair.

    The problem isn’t merely that women are told they are ugly, but that they are taught to care about their appearance above anything else. Ugliness must be overcome, and beauty must be preserved. So believing that you are beautiful doesn’t necessarily make you less terrified.

    Not to say that you should stop telling her she’s lovely and amazing and will doubtless attract many wonderful people, of course.

    One thing that helped me more than anything else was exercise, especially with other people, especially with other women. Self-defense classes, tai chi, shotokan karate, kickboxing, running marathons, women’s softball…. My sister did very well with yoga and hiking. Kameron Hurley has done very well with krav maga. I did actually become stronger, and I felt much better. But more than that, I was able to see my body as something that acted, rather than something that appeared. My body was also something that served me, rather than something for other people’s use.

  21. The implication that one has to “already have screwed-up image issues” to want permanent decoration is, however, both uncharitable and unfounded.

    The implication, for the multitude of careless and thoughtless readers, is that body modification is a poor and ineffective solution for self-image problems that begin and end in the mind. Getting a tattoo or piercing to reflect one’s heritage, or as a substitute for the Reverend Mother putting your hand in the box, is a different matter entirely.

  22. The problem isn’t merely that women are told they are ugly, but that they are taught to care about their appearance above anything else. Ugliness must be overcome, and beauty must be preserved. So believing that you are beautiful doesn’t necessarily make you less terrified.

    I got the message in childhood and adolescence that women such as myself who were apparently unattractive (to the faceless masses, apparently) were therefore not of any interest or import. I was a pretty sensitive child and it is difficult getting out of that mindset. Some days it makes more sense than others.

  23. David,

    Cutting down other people’s methods of dealing with their body issues is a way of covering up one’s own insecurities. perhaps you ought to go deal with your own issues before criticizing others?

    David, mirror. Mirror, David. Have a good time!

  24. The implication, for the multitude of careless and thoughtless readers, is that body modification is a poor and ineffective solution for self-image problems that begin and end in the mind. Getting a tattoo or piercing to reflect one’s heritage, or as a substitute for the Reverend Mother putting your hand in the box, is a different matter entirely.

    Talk about careless reading. Lauren’s tattoo was a symbolic act itself. Symbols act as catalysts for the psyche, and this symbolic rejection of body-culture as it limits women was a way for her to begin doing the actual work. Also, the extent to which she has overcome her body issues as a result of body modification would seem to contradict your assertions.

  25. Defacing your body by stabbing yourself with needles

    Also…no. Either you’re being disingenuous here, or you’re a really careless writer. All tattoos involve defacing the body by stabbing it with needles.

  26. I got the message in childhood and adolescence that women such as myself who were apparently unattractive (to the faceless masses, apparently) were therefore not of any interest or import. I was a pretty sensitive child and it is difficult getting out of that mindset. Some days it makes more sense than others.

    I hope I didn’t come off as disputing this, or as implying that it was easier to be an “apparently unattractive” girl than an apparently cute one. I’m sorry you had to go through it.

  27. Great post, Lauren. Obviously a lot of people relate.

    Re: Robert and your daughter-
    I think the best things that parents can do is be good body image role models themselves. I’m not a big fan of “blame Mom for everything,” and parents are obviously not a singular cause of body issues, but in some circumstances they certainly contribute. I grew up with wonderful, kind, sensitive parents who always told my sister and I that we were smart and interesting and beautiful, but that being beautiful was the least important of those traits. But my very tiny mom was also always trying to lose 10 pounds, she hated her stomach (genetic on her side, she said), and remembered how she was under 100 pounds when she got married at 27. I remember being little and seeing her weigh herself, and I remember what she weighed as a thirty-something mother of two, a weight that she considered “too fat” — imagine my horror when I reached that same weight in college. I was never told by my parents that I was fat — quite the opposite — but I’ve spent my entire life believing it. I tried to go on my first “diet” when I was 8.

    So, anyway, short version: Be a good role model for your kids. Don’t say anything self-hating, enjoy good healthy food, play sports with them, and teach them to care for their bodies because of all the amazing things their bodies are capable of, not capable of looking like.

  28. Whether or not it actually works, I’m amazed that it hasn’t been advertised more aggressively. You’d think a product that involves young women rubbing cream into their bare asses would be a natural for TV commercials. Alas, no.

  29. Robert,

    My daughter just turned three. At the moment she has a great body image. How long does that last? How do I protect her from people who are going to tell her she’s fat, she’s inadequate, she’s too this or too that. How do I instill in her that “fuck you, I am too beautiful” attitude?

    Keep taking your daughter horseback riding (over at Alas, Robert provided some links to pics of his very cute daughter riding ponies). Every seriously horse-crazy girl I know grew up to be a take-no-shit woman. I think part of it comes from the confidence you get from being able to manage and work with an animal that is so much larger and more powerful than you are. And another part is simply that while you are on the horse, you are bigger than most people around you.

  30. Allah-

    Remember the Dove ads with the “real women” standing around in their underwear? Those were for ass cream.

    Actually, when I was in Italy this summer they had lots of ass cream ads that involved attractive naked women getting out of the shower and parading their full-on perfect asses in front of the camera, the implication being that their asses became perfect after using this cream. It didn’t really make me want to buy it, but it was very, uh, stimulating.

  31. The Dove ads were for ass cream?? I thought they were for moisturizer or something.

    I’m trying to imagine a more insanely erotic (non-sexual) product than a cream designed to tighten women’s asses. What’s next, Dove’s all-new nipple-hardening ointment? Jeez.

  32. Glad you posted a link to your dove post, because something occurred to me about it shortly after I read it but I could not FIND it again.

    You call the ass cream in question a cellulite cream, yes?

    I think, actually, the new group of “skin firming creams” are being marketed as anti-aging creams. You know, keep your skin young and supple and have none of that annoying sagging going on.

    It may seem like “different biscuit, same tin” — all of it is still ass cream, telling us we’re imperfect and we need the product, but there’s one vital difference: Not every woman can be sold cellulite cream. EVERY woman is growing older and less conventionally attractive (according to advertisers and media) by the day! Marketing ass cream as the answer to growing older means that EVERYONE will need to buy ass cream.

    that’s not even touching post-pregnancy issues (Stretch-mark creams are a special subset of ass creams)…

  33. See now that’s the misinformation right there? Why do women use ass creme (Slartibartfast said ASS creme…huhuhuhuh…) to firm their asses? What’s the point?

    Men’s asses are supposed to be firm. A women’s ass is supposed to be bubbly and jiggly. Who wants a woman with an ass harder than my brother’s?

    I’m sure that this O festival is not going to feature old victorian nudes as wire hanger thin. Remember, before you mention it, that runway models model clothing, not the female form. The female body is supposed to be round and voluptuous, or slender and yet voluptuous. Even the most popular porn features women with curves, dimples, big boobs, big asses(hurray) and all the cottage cheese that goes with it.

    From my vantage point, it appears to me that the worst in advertising tells women, “hang onto to your youthful appearance by your finger nails.” And of course younger women are ‘smoother’ and more youthful looking than older women. But as Burt Lancaster once said to this a gorgeous italian actress who’s name escapes me, “I gave up little green apples back on the farm…ripe fruit is MUCH sweeter.”

    All women and men have to do is live well and let nature run it’s wonderful course.

  34. ass cream that left me slick enough to oops! slip out of my jeans on accident and be arrested for public exposure on a city bus (long story).

    I think you need to tell that story…
    Oh yeah, like I’m the only one who wants to hear it.

  35. David, mirror. Mirror, David. Have a good time!

    Done and done. I’m sure y’all have been wanting to get some free shots in for a while now, so get at it. I’ll deal with you asshalves later.

  36. Robert’s story about his dangerous little girl reminds me of one of my proudest moments as a child care provider.

    Scene: A conservative fundamentalist family reunion

    Our cast: Small Girl, age 3. Small Girl’s Grandmother. Small Girl’s Distant Relative. Not present except in spirit, Me (Small Girl’s Caretaker).

    Distant Relative: Goodness! Look at you, you’re so big! Give me a kiss!

    Small Girl: (to Grandmother) Do I has to?

    Grandmother: What do you want to do?

    Small Girl: No kissing.

    Distant Relative: What?!? Why ever not?

    Small Girl: I ‘sserting my personal dig’ity.

    Distant Relative (to Grandmother): She still has that nutty feminst babysitter, I see.

    Granmother: Yes. Aren’t we lucky?

    The Grandmother instantly made tracks for the house to call me and regale me with this tale, chortling madly.

    Small Girl is now a Medium Sized Girl of 10 years, plays soccer like a mad thing and takes no crap. And I am evidently still on the prayer list at a small fundamentalist church in rural Tennessee, under the heading of ‘people we are grateful for and ask the Lord to bless’, at the Grandmother’s request.

  37. As a bodybuilder (computer geek by day) I deal with a lot of these same issues. I grew up overweight and come from an overweight family. I control everything I eat (eight carefully regulated meals per day), drink and account for every minute of time spent doing physical activity. I even shave most of my body to have the right look along with applying self-tanner and moisturizer to avoid stretch marks. All meant to improve my physical appearance. I often wonder if this isn’t some kind of weird addiction (I spend 20-50 hours per week depending on the time of year). But women look at me now, really look. That never happened before. It’s an odd situation to think about.

    BUT, my girlfriend of 5+ years who has a great body, is intelligent and overall very attractive has 10 times any body issues I have. She requires a lot of affirmation despite whatever I say. Personally after 5 years, I still want to strip her naked when I look at her.

    Women, men – people, are weird.

  38. Done and done. I’m sure y’all have been wanting to get some free shots in for a while now, so get at it. I’ll deal with you asshalves later.

    Your bird lacks panache.

    Also–careless reading, again–you got that he wasn’t calling you unattractive, right?

  39. Your bird lacks panache.

    Grocery store was out of panache. I had to settle for vim.

    Reading indeed. “Donna” is an exceptionally uncommon name for a man. As for your first go-round, try reading #3 again and see if you can formulate a coherent objection concerning nothing but the words contained therein.

  40. Whoops. Sorry, Donna.

    Defacing your body by stabbing yourself with needles seems a strange way to feel good about one’s appearance, but if you already have screwed-up image issues you may as well collect the entire set.

    See Comment 33. It’s ridiculous to pretend that this is value-neutral language, or that it only refers to one specific kind of tattoo.

  41. One day I decided I had had enough with the resentment and shame and disappointment about my body. Once I realized I would never have the ideal female body, and that I had never had the ideal female body, I felt the need to do something to “get my body back.” I needed to make it mine — not my son’s, not my partner’s, not some stranger’s. Mine. I stopped pining over the ideal that never was and never would be and settled on making myself into my own ideal.

    And from this passage, it’s pretty clear that the tattoo, like the symbolic tattoos other people have referenced, was a signal of a change in Lauren’s mindset with regard to her body. In order for her to tattoo herself, she first had to permit herself to get the tattoo.

    Also, what exactly is “poor” and “ineffective” about this solution? Does Lauren seem not to have solved the problems of shame and body-hatred?

  42. See Comment 33. It’s ridiculous to pretend that this is value-neutral language, or that it only refers to one specific kind of tattoo.

    I don’t know what sort of values *you* think it implies. I used that phrase to slap away any ephemera that comes from using indirect language (get a tattoo, make love- silly waffly shit like that). It refers to all tattoos (and piercings) regardless of the reason for tattooing. The reason is what is at issue here.

    Also, what exactly is “poor” and “ineffective” about this solution? Does Lauren seem not to have solved the problems of shame and body-hatred?

    Every time I visit her I leave feeling fantastic about myself because her motherhood-, body- and sex-positivity is contagious and so personally compelling. It is difficult not to feel like a goddess in her company. I always come home feeling like I can do, or be, anything.

    Why my friend feels so different is not only that she is both traditionally and untraditionally attractive, her beauty comes from exuding power. While body trends shift and change with the decade, we’re stuck with the bodies we have and the ways in which we must develop positive self-perception. She has a handle on things. When I spend time with her, I begin to remember that I have a handle on them as well. Most of us are in an unending body project.

    This suggests the answer is ‘no’, since she needs to seek out periodic reaffirmation from external sources. The tattoo didn’t remedy whatever in her head made her feel bad about her body; instead it amounts to a form of self-administered eyewash that covered up the problem for a little while.

  43. I don’t know what sort of values *you* think it implies. I used that phrase to slap away any ephemera that comes from using indirect language (get a tattoo, make love- silly waffly shit like that). It refers to all tattoos (and piercings) regardless of the reason for tattooing. The reason is what is at issue here.

    Your language implies that all tattoos are mutilative, regardless of the reason. If you wanted to say something else, or to have the right to insult people when they read you as saying just that, you should have chosen your words more carefully.

    This suggests the answer is ‘no’, since she needs to seek out periodic reaffirmation from external sources. The tattoo didn’t remedy whatever in her head made her feel bad about her body; instead it amounts to a form of self-administered eyewash that covered up the problem for a little while.

    Well and truly written like someone who’s never lived as a woman under patriarchy or had a body dysmorphic disorder.

    On the contrary, Lauren’s view of herself has undergone a dramatic, potentially lifesaving change. I require periodic reaffirmation from my friends. However, I no longer purge after every meal. Lauren’s path from self-hatred to self-acceptance seems to follow the same trajectory. She no longer has an eating disorder. She no longer forces herself to exercise so much that she endangers her health. She no longer suffers from all-consuming hatred of her body. She no longer worries about other people’s proprietary rights over her body such that she is afraid of doing things to herself that might not please them. And, most importantly of all, she understands that none of those things are healthy. That first paragraph you quoted is the difference between Lauren before and Lauren now: given the tone of her posts, she was incapable of feeling so happy in her body for even a moment. Now, she is able to feel comfortable with herself more and more often. That’s recovery.

  44. Your language implies that all tattoos are mutilative, regardless of the reason.

    They *are* mutilative, regardless of the reason. You’re punching holes in yourself to lodge some foreign substance in your skin. Your confusion is in thinking it a pejorative rather than a descriptive.

  45. It is pejorative. It is not merely descriptive. This is how dictionary.com defines “deface”:

    To mar or spoil the appearance or surface of; disfigure.
    To impair the usefulness, value, or influence of.
    Obsolete. To obliterate; destroy.

    To “mutilate” does not mean merely to change, cut into, or inflict pain on. Going to the dentist to get a cavity filled is not mutilative, even though it means drilling a hole in your tooth to replace tissue with a foreign substance. “Mutilate” means to deprive of an essential part, to cripple, to disfigure, to damage irreparably, or to make imperfect.

  46. “A women’s ass is supposed to be bubbly and jiggly. Who wants a woman with an ass harder than my brother’s?”

    Kiss mine, jerk. But be careful not to bruise your lips.

  47. “The female body is supposed to be round and voluptuous, or slender and yet voluptuous.”

    So instead of eliminating body-image problems, let’s just target a different group of people with them, huh?

    As someone who’s naturally rail-thin and not voluptuous at all, thanks a fucking lot. Some people just aren’t happy until EVERY kind of woman has been told there’s something wrong with her body, are they.

  48. “I needed to make it mine — not my son’s, not my partner’s, not some stranger’s. Mine. I stopped pining over the ideal that never was and never would be and settled on making myself into my own ideal.” . . . “And from this passage, it’s pretty clear that the tattoo, like the symbolic tattoos other people have referenced, was a signal of a change in Lauren’s mindset with regard to her body. In order for her to tattoo herself, she first had to permit herself to get the tattoo.”

    When a conversation with my mother turned to tattoos (a friend had gotten one), she told me that I shouldn’t get tattoos because what if my future husband doesn’t like them?

    My tattoos, once I get them, will be an extention of me. Anyone who doesn’t accept them does not accept me and is therefore not worth marrying.

    I have the tattoos planned. But money’s an issue, and I want to be completely satisfied with the artwork, which means that I will draw the final sketch that I give to the tattoo artist and say “I want this,” and I have yet to come up with designs that work perfectly. Anybody know of any websites that have artwork or photos of big cats, that I can get some inspiration from? I’m planning on a panther and a saber-toothed tiger, and I know what I want them to look like but can’t manage to pose them correctly.

  49. The most common rejection of tattoos and other body modification boils down to “what will people think of you?”

    The beauty in this is that once you’ve decided to get one,especially for reasons that parallel mine, that doesn’t matter so much anymore. That’s half the point.

    But thanks for your concern, David.

  50. As someone who’s naturally rail-thin and not voluptuous at all, thanks a fucking lot.

    Seconded. I’m thin and get tired of hearing “real women have curves.”

  51. Kira, I won’t bother to quote since the post will get too long. Guys have their ideals but seem to accept less than ideal quite often. Many women lust after the Playgirl type, lean, muscular, model-types, etc but live with and love the “teddy bear” type. As a guy I love big breasts and a nice fat ass. My girlfriend of over five years is tall (taller than me), has barely B-cup breasts and has a good but no exactly model-type ass. She is hardly the type of girl in terms of physique (and as I mentioned elsewhere I take my own physique very seriously) that I would describe as my ideal but we are in love and that matters more.

  52. As David’s whining clearly demonstrates, regardless of a woman’s primary reasons for getting tattoos, a handy side effect of it is that it separates the men from the boys so well.

  53. Seconded. I’m thin and get tired of hearing “real women have curves.”

    But you do. And you know it, you may not have as many as some women but your curves are still sexy. As much as I like curvy women, a less curvy woman with the right attitude and personallity will get my attention nine times out of ten.

  54. You know, Eric, your personal preferences, while perfectly valid, are not the same as how the female body is supposed to be. And I promise you that other folks have different personal preferences than you do.

  55. The beauty in this is that once you’ve decided to get one,especially for reasons that parallel mine, that doesn’t matter so much anymore. That’s half the point.

    That’s coming at it backwards, but I suppose it’s better than not getting there at all.

    So what did you get, anyway? A 13 or a 31? Hopefully it was something neat like a full-back Angel of Vengeance with a flaming sword in one hand and an olive branch in the other.

  56. “Real” women fall into some of the folowing categories, and this list is by no means exhaustive: classically curvy, Rubenesque, althetically slim with muscular thighs, “beanpole” thin, fertility-goddess plump, 36-24-36, slim-shoulders-small-bust-big-hips, dead average in height and build, tiny but proportional, blah blah blah. My tastes are wide, leaning toward plump, but there are a lot of perfectly healthy, perfectly beautiful slim (even flat-out thin) women. They should feel no worse about their bodies than the ones that _currently_ feel bad about their bodies. Our values of what constitutes “real” should recognize that the vartiation of “real” bodies is vast vast, and far wider than our personal tastes may be. We should emphasize not adhereing to a certain size, but having a health and reasonable weight (the range of which is wide, too) for their body type. This, of course, goes as much for men as for women.

    About tattoos (and specifically Moms and tattoos): I’ve never had the urge myself, but my Mom and said quite often that if she was born in my generation, she’d get a Hummingbird tattoo int he flesh between her thumb and forefinger. Which is totally badass. Hand tattoos hold a lot of stigma against them — they’re very popular with young Native kids, and as such have the “gang” or criminal stigma against them — but knowing my Mom she wouldn’t give a shit. She’d get more from showing that “respectable” people also get tattoos (specifically on their hands), rather than worrying about suffereing the stigma. (Which is to say, my Mom is awesome.)

  57. Our values of what constitutes “real” should recognize that the vartiation of “real” bodies is vast vast

    Yes; we shouldn’t even be hearing the phrase “real women ____” outside of sarcasm or something. Heh.

  58. “As someone who’s naturally rail-thin and not voluptuous at all, thanks a fucking lot. Some people just aren’t happy until EVERY kind of woman has been told there’s something wrong with her body, are they…” KYRA

    It doesn’t sound like you think you have a problem with double dimple ass, and that you’re happy with your body (in which case, I’m happy FOR you) so cool…what’s to have a pineapple over?

    Christ, you sure took something personal that wasn’t directed at you at all. In fact it wasn’t directed at anyone except women who think that they might need ass creme for anything other than a slippery surface, or that they need to kill themselves to reach an ideal that is set by advertising and/or media standards.

  59. On the “real women have curves” thing, when I first heard that phrase, I took it to be a comment on the huge gulf between media images that dictate what women should look like–no curves, even if they must resort to anorexia to achieve the look–and what the vast majority of women actually look like. In other words, I took it to be shorthand for, “On TV, all the women are curveless, whether by nature or by self-abuse and in the real world, most women are curvy and it’s best to accept that reality.” However, it seems to me that we live in a world where beauty is considered a zero sum game and people assume that when you say, “Real women have curves,” you are by definition saying that non-curvy women aren’t real. I don’t think it follows necessarily. Real women have curves and real women don’t have curves. Real women are mothers and real women are not mothers. But in our current enviroment, such distinctions aren’t really acknowledged, so the phrase does come off as offensive.

    But it’s hard for me, because even if there’s the offensive implication that non-curvy women are not “real” somehow, the primary point of the phrase is it’s a petulant battle cry against a beauty standard that encourages eating disorders. It’s a big, fat step towards understanding that women come in a variety of body shapes and sizes and that is something to be celebrated.

  60. I have stretch mark cream (wishing I could insert a blushing face here). It’s unfortunate and I hate to admit… I wish I could be like other women and wear my stretch marks proudly, as a testament to what amazing children I grew in there, but I am horribly embarrassed by them. It doesn’t work, but I keep hoping that one day it magically will!
    I think it’s really unfortunate that anyone should have to be embarrassed about the way they look, but yet it seems unavoidable. No matter how hard I try to remind myself that what I look like is not important, I can’t seem to get it through to myself. It sucks.

  61. Quite a conversation being developed here.

    One of the things that I experience is a feeling that I don’t control my body. I control my life, but I do not control my body. It loses weight and gains it, at some whim I can’t seem to find. It is appraised and judged by so many people on a daily basis that sometimes I don’t even feel it is mine. It’s made up of my Grandmother’s hips and thighs, my Mother’s eyes, my Father’s fat, etc, etc, etc. And other people try to control it so often I don’t even know who’s in charge.

    I have a full back tattoo. Over 18 hours of tattooing, I’ve lost count. To somewhat reply to David, it may be mutilation to you, but to me although it’s not a fix all (what about body image is?) it is is a series of steps that I take.

    Each session (usually an average of three hours) makes me live in my body. It makes me register senstation, it makes me recognise that I am here, in a body, and not just a floating head. It might sound ridiculous, but my life is a journey in rediscovering feeling. And tattooing not only helps me feel, everytime I look in the mirror or catch sight of a more visible part of the tattoo it reminds me of all of the things I’m doing. It’s like tearing down a wall one brick at a time, to use a terribly tired phrase.

    It’s like meditation. And although I know that other people don’t understand it, it’s what is important to me that matters.

    David:

    This suggests the answer is ‘no’, since she needs to seek out periodic reaffirmation from external sources. The tattoo didn’t remedy whatever in her head made her feel bad about her body; instead it amounts to a form of self-administered eyewash that covered up the problem for a little while.

    I’m not sure where you got the idea that tattooing is a cure-all. Lauren never says anything about it fixing her. In fact, I think that she even states that the tattoo was a beginning.

    I finally began to ease up on myself as I began to get my tattoo.

    I applaud anyone who manages to deal with their body image, to attempt to make it more positive. The one great white elephant in my life is my body image. I have so many habits and issues that come back to it I sometimes feel I’m in a maze that will never end. But I get there. One day at a time.

  62. When I got my tattoo, I got it because I wanted it. I put it someplace hard-to-see because it’s there for ME, not for anyone else to see. In this culture, partly because of what I look like, my whole fucking body is assumed to have been specially chosen to delight some fuckwit who wants it. Like I wake up every morning and go, “I think I’ll wear the thin, pretty body today, because men like it!” My ass, my legs, my hair and my face are all assumed to be decorations for males to enjoy. This tattoo is a decoration for ME to enjoy. I know it’s there, it’s not there for anyone else to see, so they can fuck off.

    “Oh, but you know what kind of women I find attractive … ” says some numbskull male commenter. No, and I don’t much give a fuck. I’ll bet no woman would confuse you with Brad Pitt in a mirror, sweetie, so get off your fucking high horse about what you find sexy, okay? We don’t care. We ain’t here to decorate your motherfucking world.

    And I’m sick of “real women have curves,” too. I’m not damned stupid. I know full well that it’s to counteract messages of one ideal, but if I had an nickel for every time that it was spat in my face by sneering overweight women, I’d be frigging rich. Men treat me like a fuckdoll, and heavy women hate me for it. Yippee. Oh, I’m the ideal. Hoo-fucking-ray. I get hit on by drunks at parties, I’m assumed to have the brains of a gnat, and all those “real” women who bitch that there aren’t any good role models for them in the movies should open their damned eyes and see what “role models” there are for women who look like me — maybe there aren’t any fat women in the movies, but the thin ones are all the hero’s boyfriend who gets tragically raped so he can go on a guilt-free killing spree, some 85-pound teenager who makes blowjob faces at the camera and waves a sword and thinks she’s a positive feminist image, or else it’s some “erotic” cop-thriller about a serial killer who stabs naked prostitutes to death. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

    Let’s face it — THERE IS NO ACCEPTABLE WAY TO HAVE A FEMALE BODY IN THIS CULTURE. NOT ONE. Fat means you’re ugly and hence trivial and dismissed, and thin means fuckable and hence trivial and dismissed. FEMALE means trivial and dismissed, only the patriarchy wants to shove its scabby-ass dicks up the pretty ones first.

  63. “…if I had an nickel for every time that it was spat in my face by sneering overweight women, I’d be frigging rich. Men treat me like a fuckdoll, and heavy women hate me for it.”

    Right on. I’m happy to see that there are more women willing to talk about the “other side” of this body image bullshit.

    I would also like to add that slim women hate us for it, too. Women who are size 4 or 6 can be extremely nasty to those who are under a size 4.

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