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Know the Lord

With summer classes afoot, I’ve had to let a few principles go.

E goes to a summer camp in the morning and then with my mother in the afternoon. This week, my church-going mother agreed to work the church’s Vacation Bible School, a somewhat innocuous five-day sermon complete with crafts and coloring books. Ethan goes with her. They learn a new Bible verse every day.

I’ve never been big on Biblical verses, and even when I was a good non-atheist church-goer preferred the abstract rendering of God and Holiness to textual representations of Christ. I decided when Ethan was born that I would allow him to choose if, when, how and whether he wanted to take part in an institutional faith. I wouldn’t push him in any way. Ethan appears to be a mini-heathen in the making. He goes to church with my mother on occasion and I answer his questions as best I can, biting my tongue more frequently than I should.

He is, most of all, obsessed with the idea of a soul. What is a soul? Where does it come from? Can I find it?

I tell him that soul can be found everywhere: music, movies, trees, the fish pond, in himself, everywhere. Not just in church. Last night when we rode our bikes to campus for ice cream, we sat outside and I told him that if anything didn’t make sense at church to ask me or Grandma about it. He told me he doesn’t believe everything they say. “I don’t either,” I told him, “but there are some important lessons there.” We talked about kindness and charity and love and how all people have the potential for such, not only those within church walls, and how these things should not be confined within church walls. He seemed satisfied.

The other day my mom was discussing the day’s Biblical lesson with Ethan. She too wonders how much he has internalized the things they teach in church, albeit for different reasons than I.

“E, do you remember the verse for the day?” she asked.

“Know the Lord,” Ethan replied dutifully.

“Good!”

“But the only Lord I know is Lord Vader. And he’s evil.”


28 thoughts on Know the Lord

  1. what a great quote at the end. keep writing those moments down, you and he will enjoy reading them on his 18th birthday or something. reading the bible as literature can instill all the good lessons without the indoctrination. i respect you allowing him to make up his own mind. i learned recently that the amish won’t confirm their sons and daughters into the church until age 18 (unlike catholics at age 12 or so for example)

  2. Once again, out of the mouth of babes…

    I suppose it would be too traumatic to dissect a human brain, poke around, and then point out a small area and say “this is the part of brain, when overstimulated, that makes people think they have a soul, Ethan.”

  3. Back in the day when I went to the Catholic Church, when we had to shake hands and say “Peace Be With You” to our neighbors, my mom and I would always say “May the Force Be With You” and giggle. I plan on introducing the same to my son.

    And let’s hear it for boy names that start with E! In my neighborhood there are, get this:

    Emmett, Ethan, Evan, Elias, Ely, and Elijah.

  4. Tell him about material monism. Knowing that he amounts to little more than a random quantum placement of particles with the pretense of consciousness will be a learning experience for him.

    No, really, I’m serious.

    By the way, do you think that if he does a pledge of allegiance to the Jedi Council, he’ll get suspended?

  5. That’s it, you must stop posting about your demon spawn. . .it makes me jealous and fills me with the urge raise ill-mannered barbarians of my own!

  6. Oh, I should point out that while Anakin Skywalker eventually redeemed himself, Darth Lucas has been irredeemably claimed by the Dark Side.

  7. Heh.

    My grandma offered to take (eleven-year-old!) me to a Christmas Mass once, and I asked how much it cost to get in.

    And years before that, when my parents were near-newlyweds and had just moved out to the coast, my mom’s extremely Catholic aunt visited. Come Sunday morning, they staggered down to the kitchen to make coffee, and there she was in her nice dress, ready for Mass. They didn’t want her to know that Mom had gone atheist, so they were all, “Oh, right, uh, church.” Then they got dressed and bundled into the car and drove around for nearly an hour looking for a Catholic church, with an increasingly suspicious old lady in the backseat.

  8. I would like some advice please. How do you deal with family members who insist upon trying to take you child to church. I have a sister that attempts to sneak my child to church whenever she visits and I just don’t think its a proper invironment for my daughter.

  9. Wonderfully delicious!!

    Oh wait, is that copyrighted?

    Ethan is still cute and don’t they say the darndest things? So grown up yet so kid-like. Why Peanut was fighting “enemy alien intruders” just the other night.

  10. A nut: I believe that would be “magically delicious.” Lucky Charms. I did not find them to be so.

    JudgeMC: my two cents (as a lapsed catholic i.e. athiest, with a child of my own and a pair of extremely catholic parents)… I believe the overriding concern is that you are providing a safe, nurturing and respectful environment for your daughter. Family members who sneak other people’s children to church (presumably so that they will not go to hell, will see the light, will see the evil of their parents’ ways, etc.) violate all three in one fell swoop. As far as dealing with the family members, I would imagine something like, “if you can’t respect my child’s autonomy or my decisions as a parent, you will simply not be allowed to see my daughter, non-negotiable, end of story.” Relatives can be so horrible on this particular topic, but I think it’s important for your daughter to see that you respect her and stick up for her. Usually, though, someone who is controlling enough to steal children away to mass against the will of the parents will take great offense at not being allowed to claim the moral high ground.

    OK, a third penny of advice, since you asked for it. To whatever degree you have to deal with your relatives on his topic in the presence of your child, I would make sure you are (1) ever calm and reasonable and embracing of other points of view (2) absolutely respectful of the offending belief system and your relatives’ right to practice that faith (even if privately you think it’s a crock of shit); (3) quietly resolute and firm in your stance that you respect relative x’s right to their opinion but you calmly and reasonably disagree and (4) you will not-not-not allow them to foist their beliefs on your children because you believe it is immoral to do so. I would probably say respectful instead of immoral, but that depends on how provoked I was (however, see #2 above!).

    i.e. you are modeling respect for your child. how to deal with conflict and still stick up for yourself and others. if you roll over, and let them have their way with her re church, the rollign over is what you have modeled and so that behavior is what she will learn.

    in rereading the above, it strikes me that I am talking as much to myself as to you.

  11. The wife and I decided to let the girls make their own choices. We now have a pagan Mother Nature worshipper (age 8) and a hindu (age 6). My wife’s family no longer speaks to us.

    Religion’s a crutch. There’s nothing wrong with crutches, if ya need ’em.

  12. Ahh, wonderful! Now that’s a Bible verse I’d follow.

    I wouldn’t call him evil, though. Palpatine is evil. Vader is generally misguided, doing the wrong things for the right reasons. He’s basically the equivalent of the Americans who believe Iraq has WMDs and gay marriage really will destroy the institution, and voted for Bush because he’s a “good Christian” and a Compassionate Conservative, except for the fact that Vader’s go a lot more power than they do.

    Aside from that, this is the best laugh I’ve had since the local University put “Thanks to all our athletic supporters” on their digital billboard.

    Ralph–“We have a pagan Mother Nature worshipper and a Hindu” That sounds so cuuute!

    JudgeMC–I’ve been wondering about that myself. I haven’t even told my parents about being Wiccan (although I think my dad may have guessed), and I’m already dreading the fireworks when I have a child and Mom wants to know when the baptism is scheduled.

    Quisp–Good advice.

    STAR WARS RULES!!!!!

  13. Vader is generally misguided, doing the wrong things for the right reasons.

    I’m fascinated by this sentence, because I haven’t seen the last three movies. Last I checked in (literally 20 years ago), Vader was, um, genocidal (whatever planet that was he blew up in EpIV), sadistic (the mind choking thing), a friend of torture (the weird floating nazi doctor ball with a syringe) and ran around trying to kill his family and everyone they knew for several years, chopping off his son’s hand, killing his mentor, frying uncle and aunt whatsit to a crisp (after they raised his son for him).

  14. Thank you for the advice Quisp.
    I am totally lost when it comes to religion. My dad’s an atheist, my mother apathetic at best, I was raised atheist and I live in the deep south. People talk to me about that jesus dude all the time and take it for granted that I have any knowledge at all of what they are talking about. I am a little leary of saying anything at all now because of my child. Before I became a mother I didn’t care who knew what. But knowing how some people react (around here) I feel the need to quiet down some to protect my daughter from being hurt.

    and on a star wars note: Chewbacca! What a wookie!

  15. When my son was four years old Al Gore came to a town nearby. My friends and I were all excited as we packed up to go see him. My son seemed subdued. About halfway there, he asked me, is Al Gore good or bad? I thought that was a pretty precocious thing for a four-year-old to say, but I figured he deserved an honest answer so I said, “Well, he’s a politician, you know, so it’s hard to say. I think he is on our side for the most part.” But then I asked, “why do you ask?” And he told me, “He tried to kill Harry Potter.” (Al Gore, Valdimort, I guess they sound kind of the same.)

  16. How do you deal with family members who insist upon trying to take you child to church.

    My boyfriend has always wanted to teach a child to scream “It burns, it burns,” when they get sprinkled wit holy water…

    He hasn’t succeeded – yet.

  17. Last I checked, was, um, the end of The Empire Strikes Back. So I still don’t know whether Darth Vader is really Luke’s father. Don’t spoil the story by telling me :-).

  18. Judgemc….there is nothing wrong with your child learning that people have different beliefs. In fact if anything it encourages them to find their own path. Rather than force a religion or no religion on a child it’s better to let them decide for themselves when they are old enough what they actually want to be. I’m catholic, though during my older children’s upbringing I had left the church and religion all together, I never forced my children to be what I was, and infact made it a point for them to experience different religions and learn about different beliefs. I told mine that religion was something that was a private individual issue and that it wasn’t my place to tell them what or who they should believe in, that I would do my best to answer questions and get them answers if I didn’t have them but I would not “assign” them a belief.

    My son now 22 is into oriental beliefs, my oldest daughter atheist, next daughter agnostic, next one Catholic and the youngest? who knows as I do not let them become confirmed or any of the other “organized” processes until they are old enough for themselves to decide.

    The best gift you can give your child is one of not only experiencing diversity but the freedom to choose knowing you will support them — so those relatives that tried to “sneak” mine into church? I said sure but do it openly and made sure that if the kids really wanted to go? They got to experience many different religions than just what my family thought “appropriate”.

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